Digital BW, The Print

I've seen full sepia ouput from the VM-Sepia set and it looks washed out to
me.  As I recall Paul Roark doesn't even use the full sepia curves...opting
instead for a curve which produces something much more like the Sepia tones.
The other advantage of the sepia piezotones is that they are much more
stable to fade and warm shift...being made from 100% pigment, unlike the VM
sets.

Robert

On 1/7/03 12:03 PM, "Evelyn Grant" <ingamom@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Eleanor. I'm just not getting any
> brown tones at all with the carbon sepia inks. Just
> very warm b&w. I'm not familiar with the Agfa Classic,
> in the darkroom I used Kodak Ektalure paper and it
> would tone a gorgeous golden brown with brown toner.
> I'm going to try the MIS VMS inks and see what I get
> from them. Thanks again.
> Evelyn
> --- "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@...>"
> <elliebrown@...> wrote:
>> Evelyn the tone of my Cone carbon sepia prints on
>> the Photo Rag 308 is
>> almost identical to the tone of my silver prints
>> printed on Agfa Classic toned
>> on Kodak Brown Toner.  The carbon sepia tone is the
>> most beautiful brown
>> tone I've ever seen--a rich very warm brown that is
>> not plagued with the
>> greenish/yellow/orange tint of many sepia prints
>> done with other inks/media/
>> toners, etc.  eleanor
>> 
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
>> Evelyn Grant <
>> ingamom@y...> wrote:
>>> Eleanor,
>>> 
>>> I am using the piezotone carbon sepia with Photo
>> Rag
>>> 308 and I'm not seeing any real brown tones. Are
>> you
>>> getting really brown prints or are they just warm
>>> black & whites?
>>> 
>>> Evelyn
>>> --- "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@a...>"
>>> <elliebrown@a...> wrote:
>>>> I have been struggling with what to do with
>> digital
>>>> black and white
>>>> printing (I'm 
>>>> a silver printer at heart) for a long time and
>> with
>>>> the advent of the
>>>> new cone 
>>>> piezotone carbon sepia and selenium inks I will
>>>> probably sell my
>>>> darkroom 
>>>> equipment in the near future.  the tone of these
>>>> inks is nothing
>>>> short of 
>>>> exquisite on the Ham. Photo Rag 308 and the
>> Kodak
>>>> Ultima Satin.  The
>>>> Kodak paper allows the inks to dry and the ink
>>>> doesn't rub off but
>>>> this smooth 
>>>> surface satin paper does need to be sprayed or
>>>> brushed with a
>>>> lacquer.  and 
>>>> of course the Photo Rag 308 is awesome.
>>>> 
>>>> My 1280 printer is working well with these inks
>> and
>>>> I haven't
>>>> developed any 
>>>> serious clogs like I did with the original Piezo
>>>> inks.  eleanor brown
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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