Digital BW, The Print

Hi Tim, I'll fool around with this later today and see if I can get
something. The brown toned prints are really really nice, because you
can get a very attractive shade of brown, not yellow/green brown that
piezo inks are.

Jerry

Of course, I am not using epson inks.....






tyork@... wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
>  The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned
> duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I
> wanted. You might be able to get a more subtle effect if you reduced
> the purple. I didn't know how to do this. My knowledge of PS is
> limited. I am more comfortable with the picture-taking as opposed to
> the picture-printing.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Exactly what purple and black ink?
> >
> > There are thousands of shades of purple!
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > tyork@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > >  I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the
> purple,
> > > 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no color
> > > adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting.
> That's
> > > about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > yup.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was
> that
> > > > > meant for me?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be
> > > > > difficult.
> > > > > > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > > > > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia
> tone
> > > on
> > > > > Epson
> > > > > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look
> > > great in
> > > > > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but
> are
> > > a
> > > > > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is
> different
> > > > > colors
> > > > > > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of
> > > metamerism
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one
> light
> > > > > source
> > > > > > that still looks attractive in another lighting situation.
> I've
> > > > > done
> > > > > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium
> > > prints?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten,
> > > Fluorescent?
> > > > > In
> > > > > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in
> my
> > > home
> > > > > to
> > > > > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And
> > > then
> > > > > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent
> lighting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great
> and
> > > I'm
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > > > > > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we
> > > included a
> > > > > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's
> terrible
> > > > > events.
> > > > > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send
> > > those
> > > > > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > > > > > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-toned
> > > print
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my
> > > hair out
> > > > > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives
> me
> > > good
> > > > > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints
> > > and as
> > > > > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they
> almost
> > > > > sound
> > > > > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and
> all.
> > > Thanks
> > > > > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards always,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Evening Tim,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > display of
> > > > > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted
> > > > > Sepiatone
> > > > > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold
> tones.
> > > But
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown".
> They
> > > are
> > > > > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was
> > > dumbfounded
> > > > > as to
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the
> cold
> > > tone
> > > > > > > prints,
> > > > > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more
> > > luxurious
> > > > > > > looking,
> > > > > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance
> setting I
> > > made
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival
> > > > > pigmented
> > > > > > > inks.
> > > > > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've
> been
> > > > > > > printing
> > > > > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset
> > > Enhanced
> > > > > > > paper
> > > > > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on
> Somerset
> > > > > velvet
> > > > > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper
> > > than
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you
> > > would
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today
> don't
> > > > > seem to
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any
> > > metamerism
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs
> of
> > > red,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > you go
> > > > > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought
> I
> > > would
> > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo
> brown
> > > > > color,
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is a really nice color!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for
> you
> > > and
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the
> file
> > > and
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it
> > > from
> > > > > an RGB
> > > > > > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are
> > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the
> images
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color
> is, of
> > > > > course,
> > > > > > > snow
> > > > > > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this
> > > inkset,
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > going to be very happy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and
> > > Washington
> > > > > today.
> > > > > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope
> they
> > > will
> > > > > > > discover
> > > > > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Take Care.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a
> duotone
> > > mode.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the
> Epson
> > > OEM
> > > > > inks
> > > > > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like
> > > > > selenium-
> > > > > > > toned
> > > > > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see
> > > what
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night
> with
> > > the
> > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > color
> > > > > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to
> accept,
> > > > > toward
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > red,
> > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry
> Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today,
> > > using
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > > printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper,
> this
> > > > > profile
> > > > > > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very
> close
> > > to
> > > > > > > neutral
> > > > > > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black
> and
> > > white
> > > > > > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've
> had
> > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color
> > > > > inksets. But
> > > > > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either
> > > > > impermanent
> > > > > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the
> > > Epson and
> > > > > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has
> been
> > > > > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
> > > > > > > > > > >
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