Digital BW, The Print

> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
>  The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned
> duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I
> wanted. You might be able to get a more subtle effect if you reduced
> the purple. I didn't know how to do this. My knowledge of PS is
> limited. I am more comfortable with the picture-taking as opposed to
> the picture-printing.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Exactly what purple and black ink?
> >
> > There are thousands of shades of purple!
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > tyork@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > >  I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the
> purple,
> > > 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no color
> > > adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting.
> That's
> > > about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > yup.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was
> that
> > > > > meant for me?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be
> > > > > difficult.
> > > > > > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > > > > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia
> tone
> > > on
> > > > > Epson
> > > > > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look
> > > great in
> > > > > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but
> are
> > > a
> > > > > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is
> different
> > > > > colors
> > > > > > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of
> > > metamerism
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one
> light
> > > > > source
> > > > > > that still looks attractive in another lighting situation.
> I've
> > > > > done
> > > > > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium
> > > prints?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten,
> > > Fluorescent?
> > > > > In
> > > > > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in
> my
> > > home
> > > > > to
> > > > > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And
> > > then
> > > > > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent
> lighting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great
> and
> > > I'm
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > > > > > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we
> > > included a
> > > > > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's
> terrible
> > > > > events.
> > > > > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send
> > > those
> > > > > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > > > > > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-toned
> > > print
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my
> > > hair out
> > > > > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives
> me
> > > good
> > > > > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints
> > > and as
> > > > > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they
> almost
> > > > > sound
> > > > > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and
> all.
> > > Thanks
> > > > > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards always,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Evening Tim,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > display of
> > > > > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted
> > > > > Sepiatone
> > > > > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold
> tones.
> > > But
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown".
> They
> > > are
> > > > > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was
> > > dumbfounded
> > > > > as to
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the
> cold
> > > tone
> > > > > > > prints,
> > > > > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more
> > > luxurious
> > > > > > > looking,
> > > > > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance
> setting I
> > > made
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival
> > > > > pigmented
> > > > > > > inks.
> > > > > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've
> been
> > > > > > > printing
> > > > > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset
> > > Enhanced
> > > > > > > paper
> > > > > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on
> Somerset
> > > > > velvet
> > > > > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper
> > > than
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you
> > > would
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today
> don't
> > > > > seem to
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any
> > > metamerism
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs
> of
> > > red,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > you go
> > > > > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought
> I
> > > would
> > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo
> brown
> > > > > color,
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is a really nice color!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for
> you
> > > and
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the
> file
> > > and
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it
> > > from
> > > > > an RGB
> > > > > > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are
> > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the
> images
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color
> is, of
> > > > > course,
> > > > > > > snow
> > > > > > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this
> > > inkset,
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > going to be very happy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and
> > > Washington
> > > > > today.
> > > > > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope
> they
> > > will
> > > > > > > discover
> > > > > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Take Care.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a
> duotone
> > > mode.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the
> Epson
> > > OEM
> > > > > inks
> > > > > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like
> > > > > selenium-
> > > > > > > toned
> > > > > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see
> > > what
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night
> with
> > > the
> > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > color
> > > > > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to
> accept,
> > > > > toward
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > red,
> > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry
> Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today,
> > > using
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > > printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper,
> this
> > > > > profile
> > > > > > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very
> close
> > > to
> > > > > > > neutral
> > > > > > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black
> and
> > > white
> > > > > > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've
> had
> > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color
> > > > > inksets. But
> > > > > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either
> > > > > impermanent
> > > > > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the
> > > Epson and
> > > > > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has
> been
> > > > > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > is at:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
>  The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned
> duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I
> wanted. You might be able to get a more subtle effect if you reduced
> the purple. I didn't know how to do this. My knowledge of PS is
> limited. I am more comfortable with the picture-taking as opposed to
> the picture-printing.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Exactly what purple and black ink?
> >
> > There are thousands of shades of purple!
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > tyork@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > >  I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the
> purple,
> > > 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no color
> > > adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting.
> That's
> > > about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > yup.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was
> that
> > > > > meant for me?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be
> > > > > difficult.
> > > > > > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > > > > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia
> tone
> > > on
> > > > > Epson
> > > > > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look
> > > great in
> > > > > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but
> are
> > > a
> > > > > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is
> different
> > > > > colors
> > > > > > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of
> > > metamerism
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one
> light
> > > > > source
> > > > > > that still looks attractive in another lighting situation.
> I've
> > > > > done
> > > > > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium
> > > prints?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten,
> > > Fluorescent?
> > > > > In
> > > > > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in
> my
> > > home
> > > > > to
> > > > > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And
> > > then
> > > > > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent
> lighting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great
> and
> > > I'm
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > > > > > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we
> > > included a
> > > > > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's
> terrible
> > > > > events.
> > > > > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send
> > > those
> > > > > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > > > > > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-toned
> > > print
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my
> > > hair out
> > > > > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives
> me
> > > good
> > > > > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints
> > > and as
> > > > > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they
> almost
> > > > > sound
> > > > > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and
> all.
> > > Thanks
> > > > > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards always,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Evening Tim,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > display of
> > > > > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted
> > > > > Sepiatone
> > > > > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold
> tones.
> > > But
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown".
> They
> > > are
> > > > > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was
> > > dumbfounded
> > > > > as to
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the
> cold
> > > tone
> > > > > > > prints,
> > > > > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more
> > > luxurious
> > > > > > > looking,
> > > > > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance
> setting I
> > > made
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival
> > > > > pigmented
> > > > > > > inks.
> > > > > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've
> been
> > > > > > > printing
> > > > > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset
> > > Enhanced
> > > > > > > paper
> > > > > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on
> Somerset
> > > > > velvet
> > > > > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper
> > > than
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you
> > > would
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today
> don't
> > > > > seem to
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any
> > > metamerism
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs
> of
> > > red,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > you go
> > > > > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought
> I
> > > would
> > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo
> brown
> > > > > color,
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is a really nice color!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for
> you
> > > and
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the
> file
> > > and
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it
> > > from
> > > > > an RGB
> > > > > > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are
> > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the
> images
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color
> is, of
> > > > > course,
> > > > > > > snow
> > > > > > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this
> > > inkset,
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > going to be very happy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and
> > > Washington
> > > > > today.
> > > > > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope
> they
> > > will
> > > > > > > discover
> > > > > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Take Care.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a
> duotone
> > > mode.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the
> Epson
> > > OEM
> > > > > inks
> > > > > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like
> > > > > selenium-
> > > > > > > toned
> > > > > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see
> > > what
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night
> with
> > > the
> > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > color
> > > > > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to
> accept,
> > > > > toward
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > red,
> > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry
> Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today,
> > > using
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > > printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper,
> this
> > > > > profile
> > > > > > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very
> close
> > > to
> > > > > > > neutral
> > > > > > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black
> and
> > > white
> > > > > > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've
> had
> > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color
> > > > > inksets. But
> > > > > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either
> > > > > impermanent
> > > > > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the
> > > Epson and
> > > > > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has
> been
> > > > > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
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> Hi Jerry,
> 
>  The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned
> duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I
> wanted. You might be able to get a more subtle effect if you reduced
> the purple. I didn't know how to do this. My knowledge of PS is
> limited. I am more comfortable with the picture-taking as opposed to
> the picture-printing.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Exactly what purple and black ink?
> >
> > There are thousands of shades of purple!
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > tyork@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > >  I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the
> purple,
> > > 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no color
> > > adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting.
> That's
> > > about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > yup.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > >
> > > > > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was
> that
> > > > > meant for me?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be
> > > > > difficult.
> > > > > > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > > > > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia
> tone
> > > on
> > > > > Epson
> > > > > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look
> > > great in
> > > > > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but
> are
> > > a
> > > > > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is
> different
> > > > > colors
> > > > > > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of
> > > metamerism
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one
> light
> > > > > source
> > > > > > that still looks attractive in another lighting situation.
> I've
> > > > > done
> > > > > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium
> > > prints?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten,
> > > Fluorescent?
> > > > > In
> > > > > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in
> my
> > > home
> > > > > to
> > > > > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And
> > > then
> > > > > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent
> lighting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great
> and
> > > I'm
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > > > > > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we
> > > included a
> > > > > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's
> terrible
> > > > > events.
> > > > > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send
> > > those
> > > > > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > > > > > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-toned
> > > print
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my
> > > hair out
> > > > > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives
> me
> > > good
> > > > > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints
> > > and as
> > > > > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they
> almost
> > > > > sound
> > > > > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and
> all.
> > > Thanks
> > > > > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards always,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Evening Tim,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > display of
> > > > > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted
> > > > > Sepiatone
> > > > > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold
> tones.
> > > But
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown".
> They
> > > are
> > > > > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was
> > > dumbfounded
> > > > > as to
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the
> cold
> > > tone
> > > > > > > prints,
> > > > > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more
> > > luxurious
> > > > > > > looking,
> > > > > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance
> setting I
> > > made
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival
> > > > > pigmented
> > > > > > > inks.
> > > > > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've
> been
> > > > > > > printing
> > > > > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset
> > > Enhanced
> > > > > > > paper
> > > > > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on
> Somerset
> > > > > velvet
> > > > > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper
> > > than
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you
> > > would
> > > > > ever
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today
> don't
> > > > > seem to
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any
> > > metamerism
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs
> of
> > > red,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > you go
> > > > > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought
> I
> > > would
> > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo
> brown
> > > > > color,
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is a really nice color!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for
> you
> > > and
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the
> file
> > > and
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it
> > > from
> > > > > an RGB
> > > > > > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are
> > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the
> images
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color
> is, of
> > > > > course,
> > > > > > > snow
> > > > > > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this
> > > inkset,
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > going to be very happy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and
> > > Washington
> > > > > today.
> > > > > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope
> they
> > > will
> > > > > > > discover
> > > > > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Take Care.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a
> duotone
> > > mode.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the
> Epson
> > > OEM
> > > > > inks
> > > > > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like
> > > > > selenium-
> > > > > > > toned
> > > > > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see
> > > what
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night
> with
> > > the
> > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > color
> > > > > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to
> accept,
> > > > > toward
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > red,
> > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry
> Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today,
> > > using
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > > printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper,
> this
> > > > > profile
> > > > > > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very
> close
> > > to
> > > > > > > neutral
> > > > > > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black
> and
> > > white
> > > > > > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've
> had
> > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color
> > > > > inksets. But
> > > > > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either
> > > > > impermanent
> > > > > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the
> > > Epson and
> > > > > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has
> been
> > > > > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > is at:
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> Jerry,
> 
> Go to the canned duotones in PS6.01 and scroll over to the purple and
> it will be there.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Tim, I can't get a 527 pantone purple. When I type in that number a
> > light beige comes up.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > tyork@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > >  The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned
> > > duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I
> > > wanted. You might be able to get a more subtle effect if you
> reduced
> > > the purple. I didn't know how to do this. My knowledge of PS is
> > > limited. I am more comfortable with the picture-taking as opposed
> to
> > > the picture-printing.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > Exactly what purple and black ink?
> > > >
> > > > There are thousands of shades of purple!
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > >
> > > > >  I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the
> > > purple,
> > > > > 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no
> color
> > > > > adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting.
> > > That's
> > > > > about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > yup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints,
> was
> > > that
> > > > > > > meant for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will
> be
> > > > > > > difficult.
> > > > > > > > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > > > > > > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice
> sepia
> > > tone
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > Epson
> > > > > > > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that
> look
> > > > > great in
> > > > > > > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting,
> but
> > > are
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is
> > > different
> > > > > > > colors
> > > > > > > > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of
> > > > > metamerism
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in
> one
> > > light
> > > > > > > source
> > > > > > > > that still looks attractive in another lighting
> situation.
> > > I've
> > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore
> difficult.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson
> ink/selenium
> > > > > prints?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten,
> > > > > Fluorescent?
> > > > > > > In
> > > > > > > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent
> lighting in
> > > my
> > > > > home
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a
> store. And
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent
> > > lighting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are
> great
> > > and
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > > > > > > > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we
> > > > > included a
> > > > > > > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's
> > > terrible
> > > > > > > events.
> > > > > > > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you
> send
> > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > > > > > > > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-
> toned
> > > > > print
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from
> tearing my
> > > > > hair out
> > > > > > > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which
> gives
> > > me
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned
> prints
> > > > > and as
> > > > > > > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they
> > > almost
> > > > > > > sound
> > > > > > > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and
> > > all.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate
> it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards always,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Evening Tim,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me
> today. I
> > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > display of
> > > > > > > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They
> wanted
> > > > > > > Sepiatone
> > > > > > > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold
> > > tones.
> > > > > But
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo
> Brown".
> > > They
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was
> > > > > dumbfounded
> > > > > > > as to
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than
> the
> > > cold
> > > > > tone
> > > > > > > > > prints,
> > > > > > > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and
> more
> > > > > luxurious
> > > > > > > > > looking,
> > > > > > > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance
> > > setting I
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS
> Archival
> > > > > > > pigmented
> > > > > > > > > inks.
> > > > > > > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones
> I've
> > > been
> > > > > > > > > printing
> > > > > > > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and
> Somerset
> > > > > Enhanced
> > > > > > > > > paper
> > > > > > > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on
> > > Somerset
> > > > > > > velvet
> > > > > > > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are
> deeper
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone
> you
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing
> today
> > > don't
> > > > > > > seem to
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any
> > > > > metamerism
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7
> ccs
> > > of
> > > > > red,
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > you go
> > > > > > > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never
> thought
> > > I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly
> piezo
> > > brown
> > > > > > > color,
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > is a really nice color!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print
> for
> > > you
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on
> the
> > > file
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you
> print it
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > an RGB
> > > > > > > > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY
> variations are
> > > > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print
> the
> > > images
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color
> > > is, of
> > > > > > > course,
> > > > > > > > > snow
> > > > > > > > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with
> this
> > > > > inkset,
> > > > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > going to be very happy.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and
> > > > > Washington
> > > > > > > today.
> > > > > > > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope
> > > they
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > discover
> > > > > > > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them
> utterly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Take Care.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a
> > > duotone
> > > > > mode.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the
> > > Epson
> > > > > OEM
> > > > > > > inks
> > > > > > > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I
> like
> > > > > > > selenium-
> > > > > > > > > toned
> > > > > > > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks
> and see
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry
> Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > color
> > > > > > > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to
> > > accept,
> > > > > > > toward
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > red,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...,
> Jerry
> > > Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints
> today,
> > > > > using
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had
> made
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse
> paper,
> > > this
> > > > > > > profile
> > > > > > > > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a
> very
> > > close
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > neutral
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent
> black
> > > and
> > > > > white
> > > > > > > > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles,
> I've
> > > had
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using
> color
> > > > > > > inksets. But
> > > > > > > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being
> either
> > > > > > > impermanent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like
> the
> > > > > Epson and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception
> has
> > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
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> Jerry,
> 
> What setting are you using. On my 1280 with the MIS Pigments  I get purple in the black areas and blues from 75% down to 0%.
> 
> Mike
> 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:03 AM
  Subject: Re: 4: Jerry Olson Re: [Digital BW]


  Mike, I don't get any purples or color shifts at all with the VM ink. 

  You are using the VM Black?  Not the regular black, or the double
  density black?

  The epson settings are 1440 DPI, error diffusion On, high speed off,
  Photo Quality Inkjet paper setting for Media,
  Automatic is checked, and in the print dialogue box, Same as source is
  the profile selected.

  I have just experimented with the MIS color pigments in my 1160, using
  duotones. Photoshop offers about 20 duotones int the "Pantone" duotone
  folder. They have 4 purple choices, Purple bl1, bl2, bl3, and bl4.  The
  bl 4 results in an almost identical selenium tone look on regular photo
  paper. I can't believe you can actually get a black and white print with
  no color crossovers with MIS Archival Color inks.  I've only made about
  half a dozen prints so far, but it looks like it will work for most
  images. The look is as nice as the paul roark curves with VM inks, so
  far. But there's too many variables to make a conclusion, just yet.  But
  this is certainly worth many more tests. I have to run some even gray
  tests to check out the dot patterns, which I haven't done yet. No
  noticeable dots on the prints I've made so far, but these have no areas
  of smooth gray. 

  Jerry

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  > Jerry,
  > 
  > What setting are you using. On my 1280 with the MIS Pigments  I get purple in the black areas and blues from 75% down to 0%.
  > 
  > Mike
  > 
  > Regards,
  > 
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> 
> Jerry,
> 
> I was referring to the color crossover with the color inks.
> 
> I loaded the MIS archival inks into my 1280. Using the color setting recommended (Printed on a 21 step wedge)  I am getting deep purples in the shadows, the rest of the  steps are lovely shades of cool gray.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael J. Kravit, AIA
> Architect/Photographer
> www.kravit.net/photography
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jerry Olson
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:03 AM
>   Subject: Re: 4: Jerry Olson Re: [Digital BW]
> 
>   Mike, I don't get any purples or color shifts at all with the VM ink.
> 
>   You are using the VM Black?  Not the regular black, or the double
>   density black?
> 
>   The epson settings are 1440 DPI, error diffusion On, high speed off,
>   Photo Quality Inkjet paper setting for Media,
>   Automatic is checked, and in the print dialogue box, Same as source is
>   the profile selected.
> 
>   I have just experimented with the MIS color pigments in my 1160, using
>   duotones. Photoshop offers about 20 duotones int the "Pantone" duotone
>   folder. They have 4 purple choices, Purple bl1, bl2, bl3, and bl4.  The
>   bl 4 results in an almost identical selenium tone look on regular photo
>   paper. I can't believe you can actually get a black and white print with
>   no color crossovers with MIS Archival Color inks.  I've only made about
>   half a dozen prints so far, but it looks like it will work for most
>   images. The look is as nice as the paul roark curves with VM inks, so
>   far. But there's too many variables to make a conclusion, just yet.  But
>   this is certainly worth many more tests. I have to run some even gray
>   tests to check out the dot patterns, which I haven't done yet. No
>   noticeable dots on the prints I've made so far, but these have no areas
>   of smooth gray.
> 
>   Jerry
> 
>   "Michael J. Kravit" wrote:
>   >
>   > Jerry,
>   >
>   > What setting are you using. On my 1280 with the MIS Pigments  I get purple in the black areas and blues from 75% down to 0%.
>   >
>   > Mike
>   >
>   > Regards,
>   >
>   > Michael J. Kravit, AIA
>   > Architect/Photographer
>   > www.kravit.net/photography
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