Digital BW, The Print

Just did it Tim, I found the one. 

I tried the "Printer Color Management Profile", and purple four duotone.
Results much more closely match the monitor. Then I tried the Adobe RGB
profile, and that was a hair too light. The Generic RGB profile is just
about to come out of the printer as I type. 

All three have the desired color. No crossovers. This is absolutely
amazing for a color inkset. Perfect selenium tone prints!!!!!! (epson
archival Matte paper).  I'm VERY impressed. 

Okay, the Generic RGB profile print just came out of the printer. It
appears to match the monitor perfectly. There does not appear to be any
metamerism to speak of, either.

If you haven't tried third party archival color inks yet, I suggest you
get the MIS set and give these settings a try. I wonder why Adobe just
didn't label these purple colors "Selenium 1, 2, 3, and 4?  That's what
these appear to be.

The first three are just a hair too cold and blue, especially the first
one. But that fourth one.! It's perfect.

Of course, I've only tried the one image, but it is a snow scene, and
river, and looks really perfect with these colors.

I'm going to put a print in the south window tomorrow and see how long
it takes to shift.

If these colors hold up, one probably wouldn't even need a quad or
hextone set of inks. I'll be printing on many different papers over the
next few days to see how this workflow holds up.

Jerry




tyork@... wrote:
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> Go to the canned duotones in PS6.01 and scroll over to the purple and
> it will be there.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Tim, I can't get a 527 pantone purple. When I type in that number a
> > light beige comes up.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > tyork@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > >  The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned
> > > duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I
> > > wanted. You might be able to get a more subtle effect if you
> reduced
> > > the purple. I didn't know how to do this. My knowledge of PS is
> > > limited. I am more comfortable with the picture-taking as opposed
> to
> > > the picture-printing.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > Exactly what purple and black ink?
> > > >
> > > > There are thousands of shades of purple!
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > >
> > > > >  I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the
> > > purple,
> > > > > 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no
> color
> > > > > adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting.
> > > That's
> > > > > about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > yup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints,
> was
> > > that
> > > > > > > meant for me?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will
> be
> > > > > > > difficult.
> > > > > > > > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > > > > > > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice
> sepia
> > > tone
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > Epson
> > > > > > > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that
> look
> > > > > great in
> > > > > > > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting,
> but
> > > are
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is
> > > different
> > > > > > > colors
> > > > > > > > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of
> > > > > metamerism
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in
> one
> > > light
> > > > > > > source
> > > > > > > > that still looks attractive in another lighting
> situation.
> > > I've
> > > > > > > done
> > > > > > > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore
> difficult.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson
> ink/selenium
> > > > > prints?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten,
> > > > > Fluorescent?
> > > > > > > In
> > > > > > > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent
> lighting in
> > > my
> > > > > home
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a
> store. And
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent
> > > lighting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are
> great
> > > and
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > > > > > > > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we
> > > > > included a
> > > > > > > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's
> > > terrible
> > > > > > > events.
> > > > > > > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you
> send
> > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > > > > > > > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-
> toned
> > > > > print
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from
> tearing my
> > > > > hair out
> > > > > > > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which
> gives
> > > me
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned
> prints
> > > > > and as
> > > > > > > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they
> > > almost
> > > > > > > sound
> > > > > > > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and
> > > all.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate
> it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards always,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Evening Tim,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me
> today. I
> > > have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > display of
> > > > > > > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They
> wanted
> > > > > > > Sepiatone
> > > > > > > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold
> > > tones.
> > > > > But
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo
> Brown".
> > > They
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was
> > > > > dumbfounded
> > > > > > > as to
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than
> the
> > > cold
> > > > > tone
> > > > > > > > > prints,
> > > > > > > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and
> more
> > > > > luxurious
> > > > > > > > > looking,
> > > > > > > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance
> > > setting I
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS
> Archival
> > > > > > > pigmented
> > > > > > > > > inks.
> > > > > > > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones
> I've
> > > been
> > > > > > > > > printing
> > > > > > > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and
> Somerset
> > > > > Enhanced
> > > > > > > > > paper
> > > > > > > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on
> > > Somerset
> > > > > > > velvet
> > > > > > > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are
> deeper
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone
> you
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing
> today
> > > don't
> > > > > > > seem to
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any
> > > > > metamerism
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7
> ccs
> > > of
> > > > > red,
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > you go
> > > > > > > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never
> thought
> > > I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly
> piezo
> > > brown
> > > > > > > color,
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > is a really nice color!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print
> for
> > > you
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on
> the
> > > file
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you
> print it
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > an RGB
> > > > > > > > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY
> variations are
> > > > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print
> the
> > > images
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color
> > > is, of
> > > > > > > course,
> > > > > > > > > snow
> > > > > > > > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with
> this
> > > > > inkset,
> > > > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > > > going to be very happy.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and
> > > > > Washington
> > > > > > > today.
> > > > > > > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope
> > > they
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > discover
> > > > > > > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them
> utterly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Take Care.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a
> > > duotone
> > > > > mode.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > guess
> > > > > > > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the
> > > Epson
> > > > > OEM
> > > > > > > inks
> > > > > > > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I
> like
> > > > > > > selenium-
> > > > > > > > > toned
> > > > > > > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks
> and see
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry
> Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > color
> > > > > > > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to
> > > accept,
> > > > > > > toward
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > red,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...,
> Jerry
> > > Olson
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints
> today,
> > > > > using
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had
> made
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > printer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse
> paper,
> > > this
> > > > > > > profile
> > > > > > > > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a
> very
> > > close
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > neutral
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent
> black
> > > and
> > > > > white
> > > > > > > > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles,
> I've
> > > had
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using
> color
> > > > > > > inksets. But
> > > > > > > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being
> either
> > > > > > > impermanent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like
> the
> > > > > Epson and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception
> has
> > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
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