Jerry, Go to the canned duotones in PS6.01 and scroll over to the purple and it will be there. Tim --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > Tim, I can't get a 527 pantone purple. When I type in that number a > light beige comes up. > > Jerry > > > > > tyork@a... wrote: > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > The Pantone 527 purple (100%) black 4. This is in PS6.01 canned > > duotones. I then played with the curve to get the distribution I > > wanted. You might be able to get a more subtle effect if you reduced > > the purple. I didn't know how to do this. My knowledge of PS is > > limited. I am more comfortable with the picture-taking as opposed to > > the picture-printing. > > > > Tim > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > Exactly what purple and black ink? > > > > > > There are thousands of shades of purple! > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > > > I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the > > purple, > > > > 1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no color > > > > adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting. > > That's > > > > about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > > > yup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > > > > > > > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was > > that > > > > > > meant for me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be > > > > > > difficult. > > > > > > > But, Whenever you deal with black > > > > > > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia > > tone > > > > on > > > > > > Epson > > > > > > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look > > > > great in > > > > > > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but > > are > > > > a > > > > > > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is > > different > > > > > > colors > > > > > > > on different papers. Color prints don't show a lot of > > > > metamerism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one > > light > > > > > > source > > > > > > > that still looks attractive in another lighting situation. > > I've > > > > > > done > > > > > > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium > > > > prints? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten, > > > > Fluorescent? > > > > > > In > > > > > > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in > > my > > > > home > > > > > > to > > > > > > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And > > > > then > > > > > > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent > > lighting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great > > and > > > > I'm > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > they will be very well received by the public. > > > > > > > > My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we > > > > included a > > > > > > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's > > terrible > > > > > > events. > > > > > > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send > > > > those > > > > > > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them. > > > > > > > > I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium- toned > > > > print > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my > > > > hair out > > > > > > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives > > me > > > > good > > > > > > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints > > > > and as > > > > > > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they > > almost > > > > > > sound > > > > > > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and > > all. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards always, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.portraitsofnature.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Evening Tim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > > display of > > > > > > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted > > > > > > Sepiatone > > > > > > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold > > tones. > > > > But > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown". > > They > > > > are > > > > > > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was > > > > dumbfounded > > > > > > as to > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the > > cold > > > > tone > > > > > > > > prints, > > > > > > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more > > > > luxurious > > > > > > > > looking, > > > > > > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance > > setting I > > > > made > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival > > > > > > pigmented > > > > > > > > inks. > > > > > > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've > > been > > > > > > > > printing > > > > > > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset > > > > Enhanced > > > > > > > > paper > > > > > > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on > > Somerset > > > > > > velvet > > > > > > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper > > > > than > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > get with cool tones on this paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you > > > > would > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today > > don't > > > > > > seem to > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any > > > > metamerism > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs > > of > > > > red, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you go > > > > > > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought > > I > > > > would > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo > > brown > > > > > > color, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is a really nice color! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for > > you > > > > and > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the > > file > > > > and > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it > > > > from > > > > > > an RGB > > > > > > > > > image or from a Grayscale image. So MANY variations are > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the > > images > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color > > is, of > > > > > > course, > > > > > > > > snow > > > > > > > > > scenes. They must be cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this > > > > inkset, > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > going to be very happy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and > > > > Washington > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope > > they > > > > will > > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tyork@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jery, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a > > duotone > > > > mode. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the > > Epson > > > > OEM > > > > > > inks > > > > > > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like > > > > > > selenium- > > > > > > > > toned > > > > > > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see > > > > what > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > like. Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night > > with > > > > the > > > > > > MIS > > > > > > > > color > > > > > > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to > > accept, > > > > > > toward > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > red, > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry > > Olson > > > > > > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just printed some black and white prints today, > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > MIS > > > > > > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > printer. > > > > > > > > > > > > (1160) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper, > > this > > > > > > profile > > > > > > > > > > > > works very > > > > > > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very > > close > > > > to > > > > > > > > neutral > > > > > > > > > > > > tone. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black > > and > > > > white > > > > > > > > > > > > prints from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've > > had > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color > > > > > > inksets. But > > > > > > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being either > > > > > > impermanent > > > > > > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the > > > > Epson and > > > > > > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the > > Files, > > > > > > Bookmarks, > > > > > > > > > > Polls and other resources as they are often being > > > > updated. The > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > is at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, > > > > Bookmarks, > > > > > > > > Polls and other resources as they are often being > > updated. The > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > is at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, > > Bookmarks, > > > > > > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The > > > > page > > > > > > is at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > > > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The > > page > > > > is at: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page > > is at: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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4: Jerry Olson Re: [Digital BW]
2001-09-14 by tyork@accesscable.net