Digital BW, The Print

Well, I just put everything together the way it way. ran a few
cleaning cycles, got good nozzle checks, then printed about five purge
test patterns. There is a lot of air in the lines but it seems to be
printing OK. And, the ink is flowing through the tubes. 

The problem may be there there is too much air and not enough ink in
the carts. Only time will tell. At least it's working now. 

I'll just see how this works. If it doesn't I'll get new carts and
start over. This time I won't make the mistakes I did the first time. 

Thanks for the help.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani
<shilesh.jani@s...>" <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> I am afraid, once you have some ink and air in the cartridge, there 
> is really no way to refill, unless you first remove all of the 
> residual foam.  Otherwise you will get crappy nozzle checks.  I know 
> it sucks, but there is no point in rushing things.  Re-prepping (or a 
> new cartridge) is the only way to go.  If you suck from the bottom, 
> you are likely to suck the air into the cart, which will not help.  
> Give it a try - at most you will waste some ink/time.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_Michaels 
> <Bob@B...>" <Bob@B...> wrote:
> > Shilesh:
> > Thanks again. Can't I accomplish the same thing by leaving the feed
> > line connected to the cart with the end of the feed line inserted 
> down
> > into the CFS ink bottle, then just suck ink through the cart using 
> the
> > bottom fill adapte? It seems that should fill the cart and line with
> > fresh ink and create some sort of vacumn inside the cart. I do have
> > some methanol but I'm afraid that will stay in the foam inside the
> > cart and dilute the ink. Or does that make a difference?
> > Bob Michaels
> > 
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani
> > <shilesh.jani@s...>" <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > > 
> > > In that case, take the feed line out of the cartridge.  Then find 
> a 
> > > way to seal that connector temporarily.  Use the bottom feed 
> adapter 
> > > and a 60 cc syringe to suck out most of the inks already in the 
> > > cartridge.  You will have to do this many times, to extract as 
> much 
> > > of the inks as possible, including any of the foam.  Then make 
> sure 
> > > you remove all of the breached tape seal from the exit port.  
> Reseal 
> > > this port using electrical tape.  It is very important that this 
> tape 
> > > seals the exit port completely (otherwise you will not be able to 
> > > acheive vacuum).  Re attach the feed tube, and follow the vacuum 
> > > filling process.  If inks comes out into the feed lines,  at this 
> > > stage you know that you did not remove all of the ink.  You don't 
> > > happen to have metahnol around do you?  Or 100% alcohol (don't 
> waste 
> > > the 30 year single malt;-).  If you have methanol, you might be 
> able 
> > > to flush the cart, to help drive out more of the ink.
> > > 
> > > Good luck.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_Michaels 
> > > <Bob@B...>" <Bob@B...> wrote:
> > > > Shilesh:
> > > > I have no idea how much ink went into the cart. I just know 
> that the
> > > > black ink line is almost all air while the others are almost 
> all 
> > > ink.
> > > > I tried starting over with the vacumn pump but that's pulling 
> ink 
> > > out
> > > > of the cart instead of air. 
> > > > I know if I can fix it, just want to do it tonight instead of 
> > > waiting
> > > > for MIS to send me a new black ink cart. 
> > > > I'll probably just try the bottom fill adapter. All I can do is 
> get
> > > > ink all over the place. 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bob Michaels.--- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "Shilesh Jani <shilesh.jani@s...>" <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > > > > Bob,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Don't panic ---yet;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Did the black cartridge fill with ink?  If the answer to this 
> is 
> > > yes, 
> > > > > I would not worry too much about the air in the feed line. 
> Whne 
> > > you 
> > > > > install the cartridges in the printer, inks will begin to be 
> > > sucked 
> > > > > in, and the little bit of air in the feed line will end up on 
> top 
> > > of 
> > > > > ink in the cartridge.  This is no problem at all. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If, however, little or no ink went in the cartridge, you may 
> have 
> > > to 
> > > > > start the process over again (prefereably with a new empty 
> black 
> > > > > cartridge.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
> > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_Michaels 
> > > > > <Bob@B...>" <Bob@B...> wrote:
> > > > > > I'm currently  installing a MIS CFS system in my 1280 for 
> the 
> > > first
> > > > > > time. I just filled the carts using the vacumn pump. 
> Somehow I 
> > > must
> > > > > > have gotten the black tube above the ink level while 
> filling it
> > > > > > because I  ended up with mostly air in the feed line (the 
> other 
> > > are
> > > > > > mostly ink).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Can I just use the supplied bottom fill adapter and suck 
> ink 
> > > out of
> > > > > > the bottle into the line and cart? If so, do I have to wait 
> a 
> > > few
> > > > > > hours for the bubbles to go out of the ink in the cart 
> before I
> > > > > > install it?
> > > > > > Is it better to do this before or after I install the cart 
> in 
> > > the 
> > > > > printer?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Any other thoughts?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bob Michaels