Digital BW, The Print

Jim:
Using the residual foam method was my thought as well. But, I finally
said "to hell with it, let's just try it". And, it's working now. 

But I'll try the residual foam if I end up getting bad nozzle checks. 

thanks
Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jim hayes
<jimhayes@f...>" <jimhayes@f...> wrote:
> Simply use the residual foam method. Keep drawing ink through the 
> bottom with a syringe. Eventually you will get solid ink everywhere. 
> Actually you need some air in the cart to act as an anti-siphon so the 
> ink won't all flow from the bottle into the printer.
> 
>  You may have to draw a lot through. Keep emptying it back into the 
> bottle.
> 
> If it's working okay now fine. If you get nozzle skips in the future 
> then do this. No methanol.
> Jim H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_Michaels 
> <Bob@B...>" <Bob@B...> wrote:
> > Well, I just put everything together the way it way. ran a few
> > cleaning cycles, got good nozzle checks, then printed about five 
> purge
> > test patterns. There is a lot of air in the lines but it seems to be
> > printing OK. And, the ink is flowing through the tubes. 
> > 
> > The problem may be there there is too much air and not enough ink in
> > the carts. Only time will tell. At least it's working now. 
> > 
> > I'll just see how this works. If it doesn't I'll get new carts and
> > start over. This time I won't make the mistakes I did the first 
> time. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the help.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani
> > <shilesh.jani@s...>" <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > > 
> > > I am afraid, once you have some ink and air in the cartridge, 
> there 
> > > is really no way to refill, unless you first remove all of the 
> > > residual foam.  Otherwise you will get crappy nozzle checks.  I 
> know 
> > > it sucks, but there is no point in rushing things.  Re-prepping 
> (or a 
> > > new cartridge) is the only way to go.  If you suck from the 
> bottom, 
> > > you are likely to suck the air into the cart, which will not help. 
>  
> > > Give it a try - at most you will waste some ink/time.
> > > 
> > > Good luck.
> > > 
> > > Shilesh
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_Michaels 
> > > <Bob@B...>" <Bob@B...> wrote:
> > > > Shilesh:
> > > > Thanks again. Can't I accomplish the same thing by leaving the 
> feed
> > > > line connected to the cart with the end of the feed line 
> inserted 
> > > down
> > > > into the CFS ink bottle, then just suck ink through the cart 
> using 
> > > the
> > > > bottom fill adapte? It seems that should fill the cart and line 
> with
> > > > fresh ink and create some sort of vacumn inside the cart. I do 
> have
> > > > some methanol but I'm afraid that will stay in the foam inside 
> the
> > > > cart and dilute the ink. Or does that make a difference?
> > > > Bob Michaels
> > > > 
> > > >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh 
> Jani
> > > > <shilesh.jani@s...>" <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > > > > Bob,
> > > > > 
> > > > > In that case, take the feed line out of the cartridge.  Then 
> find 
> > > a 
> > > > > way to seal that connector temporarily.  Use the bottom feed 
> > > adapter 
> > > > > and a 60 cc syringe to suck out most of the inks already in 
> the 
> > > > > cartridge.  You will have to do this many times, to extract as 
> > > much 
> > > > > of the inks as possible, including any of the foam.  Then make 
> > > sure 
> > > > > you remove all of the breached tape seal from the exit port.  
> > > Reseal 
> > > > > this port using electrical tape.  It is very important that 
> this 
> > > tape 
> > > > > seals the exit port completely (otherwise you will not be able 
> to 
> > > > > acheive vacuum).  Re attach the feed tube, and follow the 
> vacuum 
> > > > > filling process.  If inks comes out into the feed lines,  at 
> this 
> > > > > stage you know that you did not remove all of the ink.  You 
> don't 
> > > > > happen to have metahnol around do you?  Or 100% alcohol (don't 
> > > waste 
> > > > > the 30 year single malt;-).  If you have methanol, you might 
> be 
> > > able 
> > > > > to flush the cart, to help drive out more of the ink.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In 
> > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_Michaels 
> > > > > <Bob@B...>" <Bob@B...> wrote:
> > > > > > Shilesh:
> > > > > > I have no idea how much ink went into the cart. I just know 
> > > that the
> > > > > > black ink line is almost all air while the others are almost 
> > > all 
> > > > > ink.
> > > > > > I tried starting over with the vacumn pump but that's 
> pulling 
> > > ink 
> > > > > out
> > > > > > of the cart instead of air. 
> > > > > > I know if I can fix it, just want to do it tonight instead 
> of 
> > > > > waiting
> > > > > > for MIS to send me a new black ink cart. 
> > > > > > I'll probably just try the bottom fill adapter. All I can do 
> is 
> > > get
> > > > > > ink all over the place. 
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Bob Michaels.--- In 
> > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > "Shilesh Jani <shilesh.jani@s...>" <shilesh.jani@s...> 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > Bob,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Don't panic ---yet;-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Did the black cartridge fill with ink?  If the answer to 
> this 
> > > is 
> > > > > yes, 
> > > > > > > I would not worry too much about the air in the feed line. 
> > > Whne 
> > > > > you 
> > > > > > > install the cartridges in the printer, inks will begin to 
> be 
> > > > > sucked 
> > > > > > > in, and the little bit of air in the feed line will end up 
> on 
> > > top 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > > > ink in the cartridge.  This is no problem at all. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If, however, little or no ink went in the cartridge, you 
> may 
> > > have 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > > start the process over again (prefereably with a new empty 
> > > black 
> > > > > > > cartridge.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In 
> > > > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob_Michaels 
> > > > > > > <Bob@B...>" <Bob@B...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm currently  installing a MIS CFS system in my 1280 
> for 
> > > the 
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > > time. I just filled the carts using the vacumn pump. 
> > > Somehow I 
> > > > > must
> > > > > > > > have gotten the black tube above the ink level while 
> > > filling it
> > > > > > > > because I  ended up with mostly air in the feed line 
> (the 
> > > other 
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > mostly ink).
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Can I just use the supplied bottom fill adapter and suck 
> > > ink 
> > > > > out of
> > > > > > > > the bottle into the line and cart? If so, do I have to 
> wait 
> > > a 
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > > hours for the bubbles to go out of the ink in the cart 
> > > before I
> > > > > > > > install it?
> > > > > > > > Is it better to do this before or after I install the 
> cart 
> > > in 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > printer?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Any other thoughts?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Bob Michaels