Digital BW, The Print

Steven, I've had MIS VM ink prints on display in my home since they came 
out. I see no fading at all under
roomlight conditions. If you put them in sunlight, of course they will 
fade. Usually I get to about 2.5-3 months
in a sunny window before noticeable fading occurs with VM inks and the 
Enhanced Black  hybrid from Media Street's
Generations 4 set. If you print on 100 percent cotton paper that is acid 
free, that's about as good as you can
expect today. So I don't really worry about fading any more.  Both the 
MIS inks and the Generations inks (Pigments)
are excellent at this stage of the game, as good as epsons, anyway.

There are a LOT of variables that could easily change these results, 
humidity, air quality, location, etc.

Jerry




Steven Karafyllakis wrote:
> Hey guys;
> 
> I hate yo be the one to say 'the emperor wears no clothes' but the 
> point needs to be made more bluntly. The 70+ 100+ years ratings for 
> most of these inks are bunk. First of all, for those of you who 
> missed it, or can't read between the lines, Wilhelm revamped his 
> entire testing method because his tests assumed a linear fade rate, 
> which is not correct, and which you can assume to mean in real 
> terms, "oops-I think I screwed up". More important, what do you 
> consider to be acceptable change? Maybe they won't fade noticeably 
> in say 10-20 years if they're displayed properly, but I promise you 
> they will get warmer, noticeably warmer, within a couple of years if 
> framed, and a couple of months if left out exposed even to normal 
> room conditions unprotected. Don't believe me? Test it. Tape a 
> couple of prints up  somewhere in normal room light, with a mix of 
> tungsten, daylight and fluorescent, (real world conditions guys) put 
> a duplicate set in a box, and check them against each other every 
> couple weeks.
> 
> The bottom line is these projections are good only as relative 
> comparisons, and even then, comparing the VM, for instance with the 
> dye inks assumes that Epson's and Wilhelm's numbers for the dye inks 
> are meaningful. What do you think? Do you trust Epson's claims after 
> the orange-shift debacle? I don't. I think if you sell digital 
> prints right now at this point in the technology, you need to be 
> prepared to replace them at some point in the not too distant future-
> and hopefully, at that point we'll have truly archival solutions.
> 
> Sorry to be a party-pooper.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> http://stevekphoto.com
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans Nohlberg 
> <chiahans@t...> wrote:
> 
>>Hi Jerry,
>>
>>100+ !!
>>Interesting.
>>Where have you found that?
>>Is that for all MIS inks on every paper/coating?
>>
>>Best from
>>Hans
>>
>>
>>
>>>The MIS are rated at 100+ years, good enough for me.
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Hans Nohlberg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Have been lurking some months on this list. It has helped me a 
>>>
> lot
> 
>>>> with several things. Thanks all.
>>>>
>>>> My problem is now - what shall I answer my customers about the 
>>>
> permanence.
> 
>>>> I have searched info on the web and in the B/W archive but 
>>>
> cannot
> 
>>>> find any relevant answer.
>>>> I print with Epson 1290, MIS VM on Hahnemuehle PhotoRag.
>>>> Any idea? 50+? 100+?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>>
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