Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> 
> > Jerry, if you put them in sunlight, unprotected, they will color
> > fade noticably in under 24 hours of exposure time.
> 
> Sorry Steve, this is simply not true.
Jerry, how can you possibly state so unequivocaly that MY experience 
is simply NOT TRUE? Am I hallucinating this? What you're refusing to 
see is that the range of experience with this has been quite 
different for different people-point being that if someone goes away 
from this forum thinking he's got something more or less bulletproof 
he's quite likely to get blind-sided and lose time, money, and 
customers over it. 
As I said, I have had VM ink prints in
> a sunny window for 2 months and I can't tell them from a dark 
storage print.
> Somewhere between 2 and 3 months, I do notice fading.

Tell you what-send me two grayscales, I'll store one and expose the 
other to our nice Florida sunlight for a week, (it is winter after 
all, even here) and then I'll send them to a third party for 
evaluation. Mind you, I'd love to have you prove me wrong, because 
inspite of my caution, I've been selling a few as well, and it would 
ease my maind a lot if all I had to do is add a bit more blue toner 
to extend the life of my prints. How about it?

Steve K
> 
> Jerry
> 
> As I said, The Gen 4 and MIS inks are the best I can get today, 
and I'm
> simply not going to worry about fading any more.  I have a couple 
prints in
> a local gallery that have been in frames, under fluorescent lights 
for over
> 2 years. They show absolutely no sign of fading.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  I have a south 
> > facing window with 1/4 inch glass I tape them to, that gives 
them 4-
> > 5 hours of direct sun every day. I once got 2 weeks before 
noticing
> > fade-in a time period when it rained every day for for all but 
three
> > days of that, and that's behind 1/4 glass. Obviously you can set 
up
> > conditions that will greatly extend that time, but do you have
> > control of that when you sell a print?
> > 
> >> If you print on 100 percent cotton paper that is acid
> >> free, that's about as good as you can
> >> expect today.
> > 
> > That may be true, but the real quetion is: is it realy good 
enough?
> > 
> > 
> >> So I don't really worry about fading any more.  Both the
> >> MIS inks and the Generations inks (Pigments)
> >> are excellent at this stage of the game, as good as epsons, 
anyway.
> > 
> > No they're not.They are simply a great deal more available, but 
if
> > you put any stock in the existing tests, the relative stability 
of
> > the Epson archival inks is better, though I suspect that 100+ 
years
> > on those is sheer delusion also.
> >> 
> >> There are a LOT of variables that could easily change these
> > results, 
> >> humidity, air quality, location, etc.
> > 
> > Well we do agree on that.
> > 
> > Steve K
> >> 
> >> Jerry
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
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