Can you help out a relative newbie here. What is DSS syndrome? Thanks, Bob Kramer -----Original Message----- From: James Lerager <JLerager@...> [mailto:JLerager@...] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:37 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Permanence - Paul Roark Hi Paul, I am about to switch inks from the original Piezo/Sundance. I am planning on replacing them with either Piezotones, or a blend of MIS FS-N (80%) & FS (20%) inks. I am concerned with ink/print permanence -- also about DSS syndrome (which my current 1160 now exhibits). I still feel more than disappointed by Jon Cone's claims about the original Piezo/Sundance inks, in contrast to the "reality" so many of us experienced. I have read Jon Cone's published accelerated-aging tests of Piezotone inks in comparison with MIS FS inks, and his claims of under 2% fading of Piezotone, vs. a 17% fading, accompanied by significant color shift, for FS inks. I have noted a potential short-coming of Cone's tests: That Cone tested Piezotone only against MIS FS, and not against FS-N. According to my reading of your own testing of FS and FS-N inks, the FS-N seemed more stable than FS. If I remember correctly, when you did your own fade-tests of FS and FS-N, that you found only a 2% fade for FS-N and that FS-N is color/tone stable. This is very different than the 17% fade that Cone claims he found with FS ink. I recognize that Cone tested for a longer time, and perhaps also with a more intense light source. However, the 2% print-fade that you found with FS-N seems a reasonably acceptable standard for "permanence" to me, especially if the color/tone of the print is also stable. For this reason, I'd like your current thoughts on this matter of fade and color/tone stability of FS-N ink. Is (in your opinion) FS-N in fact less subject to fading, and more color/tone-stable, than Cone is suggesting in his published ratings of MIS FS inks? Is Cone comparing apples and oranges by leaving FS-N out of his fading tests? I am also concerned that the Piezotone inks may, in the future, lead to DSS or other problems affecting Epson print-heads. My understanding is that the MIS FS and FS-N inks have not exhibited clogging or DSS problems. Are you aware of any reports of DSS with the MIS FS and FS-N inks? [I will be placing my backup/unused 1160 into service with the new inks, replacing my current 1160 (with its DSS symptoms). I hope that I will not encounter the infamous DSS syndrome in the future, so I do have concerns about Cone's inks (old and new), and the possible damage that they may cause to Epson print-heads in the longer run.] With all respect to Jon Cone and to you, I am hoping that your responses will be helpful in clarifying these questions for me and for others, and contribute to our shared understanding. Cheers, James Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=241773.2861420.4212388.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=17050191 82:HM/A=1394046/R=0/*http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/pac_ctnt/text/0,,HGTV_3936_580 2,FF.html> HGTV Dream Home Giveaway <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=241773.2861420.4212388.1925585/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1394046/rand=467541739> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Permanence - Paul Roark
2003-01-17 by BOB KRAMER
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