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Re: [Digital BW] Paul: Black ink Question

2003-02-02 by Jerry Olson

Paul, I too, have seen media street's claim of +100 years for the
Enhanced Generations 4 Black. I think it is still on their website,
somewhere. Of all the testing that you have done, all the inks, all the
papers, which ones are you 
now using for your best prints? (Deepest blacks, reasonably priced
paper, etc.) Are the Ultrachromes compatible with MIS archival inks? Has
MIS come out with their own version of Ultrachrome inks yet? To use the
2200 printer, you'd have to be able to get third party inks, or it would
just be too expensive to print with that printer.

Epson has officially discontinued the 3000 printer finally! Do you think
they will come out with a replacement?

Jerry






Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> >... At the Media Street website they
> >state that their Enhanced Generations Black is rated by Wilhelm
> >beyond 100 years before noticeable fading occurs. That sounds
> >impressive. Any comments?
> 
> In my testing the Media Street Enhanced Gen Black is not nearly as lightfast
> as the black inks in inksets that have been rated at 100+ years.  That is,
> the UltraChrome Matte black and the Epson Archival black, which are in
> inksets that Wilhelm rates up in the 100+ (for B&W only for the UC), perform
> far better than the Gen 4 Enhanced (with 25% dye, I believe) black I've
> tested.
> 
> Now, it may be that Wilhelm tests the color inksets at, for example, 50%
> density, so that there is simply no significant black ink present.  If that
> is the case, then the test would be of the color pigments, not the black
> ink.  (Of course, I don't think third-party color pigments are as long-lived
> as UltraChrome color pigments either, and the color UltraChromes don't make
> the 100+ class from what I've seen.)
> 
> So, have you really seen *Wilhelm* say Gen Enhanced K is 100+ years?
> 
> I'd like to see some substantiation of the 100+ year claim for Gen Enhanced
> K.  To say I'm skeptical is an understatement.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> (PS for Norm -- I spent 25 years as a FTC consumer protection & antitrust
> attorney.)
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