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Re: [Digital BW] Paul: Black ink Question

2003-02-04 by Paul Roark

Chris wrote:

>How about mixing & matching these blacks with the MIS VM inkset? Must
>the Archival K (or MIS bulk) be substituted with curve adjustments or
>do you have to go with a whole new inkset?

There will be an entirely new inkset -- very lightfast and RC compatible
(with the right black).  With the new vm there will still be the need to
switch blacks for matte or RC -- just like the UltraChromes.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> >Can the Ultrachrome inks from MIS give as good a black as the
enhanced
> >generations 4 black?
>
> Only on RC paper.
>
> >(I'm looking ahead a bit as to what inks I should
> >get if I get a 2200 Printer.
>
> The MIS UC clones have some very good points.  Epson Archival black
gets
> better dmax on RC paper than the MIS Photo black.  I am going to
use the
> Epson Archival black, and I think MIS will be selling it in bulk.
They will
> by the 10000 Archival black carts and decant them.  I use the
Archival K in
> the formulas, so they already have it and know I intend to use it
until
> something better comes along.
>
> > what is a High load matte black?
>
> The big change/advance in the field is not the pigments, but the
base.  The
> new bases that are available to all -- Epson and MIS -- can hold a
more
> pigment powder.  For example, Epson Archival K is about 3% pigment.
> PiezoTone Museum K is over 6%.  Epson matte black is even higher.
>
> The high load means greater gamut and deeper blacks.  For color,
this means
> a higher-gamut color pigment inkset.  For B&W, this advance means a
deeper
> black *without* the need for dye.  So, the high load Museum K and
MIS matte
> black that I'm now testing exceed the dmax of the VM/FS K on EEM,
even
> though they (allegedly) have no dye and no co-solvent (a source of
trouble).
>
> The high load blacks still cannot reach the depth of Media Street's
Enhanced
> K, however.  But, if longevity is important, then the high load
blacks are
> definitely the way to go.  For your uses, Gen Enhanced may still be
the best
> choice.
>
> >Enhanced gen 4 still the winner of deepest black?
>
> For a "mostly pigment" ink on matte paper I think Gen Enhanced is
still the
> winner.  But for those who like RC paper, Ilford Smooth Pearl (a
nice but
> clearly not matte finish) with Archival K is the champ.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

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