Digital BW, The Print

I have nearly 8 years experience scanning negs using Nikon scanners. 
Getting a good scan from a traditional B&W film is difficult. My 
results with Tri-X, TMY and TMZ are mixed at best. One thing is 
certain. If your scanner has "digital ice" software or something 
similar you will get grain and blown-out highlights. Disabling the 
ice software helps. Best results are from chromogenic films, color or 
B&W. A weak fill flash ( 1 stop under overall exposure )will help 
your available light chromogenics. My best results in available light 
come from Fujicolor 800 pushed to 1600 or 3200. It converts well to 
grayscale in Photoshop. A friend who uses an older Polaroid scanner 
claims he gets good results because the light source is broader or 
diffused rather than a point source. 
I just joined the group and jumped right in. Please excuse me if this 
has been covered previously. Like I always tell my students, I'm 
always ready to offer advice, whether you've asked for it or not!
Bill Bresler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jimenez12fr 
<miguel.jimenez@o...>" <miguel.jimenez@o...> wrote:
> I'm talking about Canon 4000 FS, and the film is usually Kodak TMY 
> developed with TMAX developer at a 1+6 dilution. But I get also 
> unsatisfactory results with chromogenic films when they are shot 
> indoors with available light (slightly underexposed, which is not 
> good for these films, I know).
> 
> Thanks for the reference to the grain reduction software, I'll have 
a 
> look as soon as I find the time. I liked the remark about "plastic 
> fantastic"... but it is not what I am looking for.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345 
> <am1000@v...>" <am1000@v...> wrote:
> > Jimenez,
> > 
> > Which Canon scanner model are you talking about? 
> > 
> > Also, which film are you scanning in RGB mode in Viewscan, then 
> > converting to greyscale ? Also, which scanning resolution are you 
> > using and what print size are you trying to acheive ?
> > 
> > Andre
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jimenez12fr 
> > <miguel.jimenez@o...>" <miguel.jimenez@o...> wrote:
> > > I can't make the Canon scanner work properly either, without 
> given 
> > me 
> > > quite a lot of grain. I am using Vuescan, getting Raw RGB scans 
> and 
> > > selecting the best channel and converting into greyscale, but 
the 
> > > result is still grainy scans, no matter how I manipulate it 
with 
> > > curves and levels. Funny enough, with the Canon software I'm 
> > getting 
> > > better results, but that probably means I'm not good enough at 
> > > manipulating images with photoshop.
> > > 
> > > I have a question on this, is anyone using gaussian blur to 
avoid 
> > > grain? Up to now this is the only solution I have for grain, 
> > although 
> > > it softens very slightly the image. Is there any other PS tool 
or 
> > > plugin for eliminating grain that works well? I'd like to hear 
> > about 
> > > experiences of other people with BW grain. 
> > > 
> > > Maybe the Canon scanner is just too sharp for grainy images (I 
> > think 
> > > I've read about this on photo.net), perhaps my unit is special. 
> > > Thanks 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alessandro 
> > Pardi 
> > > <alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> > > > I never had a chance to play with the Nikon, but remember 
that 
> > > scanning s/w
> > > > is an important factor. There's no comparison, either, 
between 
> > the 
> > > Canon
> > > > with its own FilmGet software and the same Canon with 
> Vuescan... 
> > > (the latter
> > > > being miles ahead).
> > > >  
> > > > Alessandro Pardi
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: André Vallejo [mailto:avs@p...]
> > > > Sent: lunedì 3 febbraio 2003 15:21
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Canon scanner
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I've used a Canon 4000 for a while to test,and reults are 
much 
> > less 
> > > then
> > > > satisfying.No comparison with the Nikon 4000 I've finally 
> > bought...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Message: 25
> > > >    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:29:53 -0500
> > > >    From: "Stuart Phillips" <stuart.phillips@r...>
> > > > Subject: Re: ImagePrint Sale
> > > > 
> > > > Does anyone have expeience with the Canon  FS2720U film 
> scanner? 
> > > How does it
> > > > work?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance?
> > > > 
> > > > 
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