I'd rather say: we're used to grain, whereas dots and noise are new to us and stick in our eyes. I don't think philosophy has much to do with these kind of things. Alessandro -----Original Message----- From: plnelson2003 <peter@...> [mailto:peter@...] Sent: giovedì 13 febbraio 2003 19:14 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Dots and grain > Could I not equally say > > >So the smoothness was part of the subject from the start - > >it's been there, done that, paid its dues, it has a > >raison d'etre, it's a founding father. > > > >The point is that the grain is merely an artefact of the > >chemistry of the film - it has no organic connection > >to the original subject. Yes of course you could. The grain was definitely not present in the original subject. But no one will confuse a photograph with the SUBJECT; No one will confuse the print with Aunt Martha herself - they will say it's a PHOTOGRAPH of Aunt Martha. So we're saying the print is a representation of the PHOTOGRAPH. And the photograph had grain. What this comes down to is whether we should see inkjet prints as another way to print photographs or as a separate art medium altogether. IN THIS CONTEXT I'm looking for a digital replacement for darkroom prints so I'm judging them by the same standards as any other photographic print. I emphasized "In this context" above, because I ALSO use inkjet printing in totally novel ways like printing on watercolor paper, toothed paper, acetate, canvas, etc. I've developed a multipass method of printing on construction paper with a patch of gesso at low resolution, and then doing it again but only on the gesso at high resolution to combine photorealism with watercolor effects. Obviously I don't ecpect any of these to look like photos, or anything else familiar for that matter. (this is also another answer to what to do with your printer after the warranty runs out) Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Dots and grain
2003-02-13 by Alessandro Pardi
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