Hello Clayton, I surely agree that by going digital we have a terrific control on what we do (without mentioning the capability of easily undo what we don't like - at least until the image is on the monitor). I must add, though, that changing by 1% the 5% and 95% points isn't simply a 1% change, because it also affects all intermediate values (except, I'd say, for the median), especially because the two changes go in the opposite direction, thus enhancing the contrast. Also, how much impact this can have depends on the image itself (if many areas of the picture are around the changed densities, the difference will be greater). All summed up, I think it's not correct to compare this to a dodge/burn in the wet darkroom. Just my 0.02 euros, Alessandro Pardi -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Jones <cj@cjcom.net> [mailto:cj@...] Sent: venerdì 14 febbraio 2003 8:30 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Two Amazing Things Hello All, I was getting ready to make some prints this evening from an image I'd previously worked up and considered finished. After the first print I felt it needed a tad more contrast, so I decided to use a transfer curve until I had it worked out to my satisfaction, before I changed the image. After a few trials I ended up changing each end by 1% - the 5% point became 4% and the 95% point became 96%. This added just the right amount of extra kick it needed. I then decided to permanently alter the image by adding the same curve in a layer, flattening and saving it. The transfer curves are scaled in % units and the adjustment curves are in RGB values, so I used a calculator to make sure I entered an identical curve (each 1% is equal to 2.56 RGB units). As I was doing this I was thinking about yesterday's thread where I said I could see the difference in a print with as little as 2 RGB units change. That was a general statement from memory and an amount I felt confident saying in public. I had never actually done any exact testing to see what degree of change could be detected. I realized that my 1% change (2.56 RGB units) had made a clear difference in the print. While entering the curve points I discovered I could not enter the exact values because you can only enter integers, not fractional values. So instead of 2.56 RGB units I had to change the points by either 2 or 3 units. I chose 3 for the dark end (moved the 13 point to 10) and 2 for the light end (the 243 point to 245). The first print came out looking a tiny bit too heavy in the blacks, so I changed the dark end to a difference of 2 (13 to 11). This time it was a tiny bit too light (compared to the transfer curve print which was a difference of 2.56). It was still darker than the original so I decided to stick with that and flattened it and saved the file. It suddenly dawned on me that a difference of one half an RGB unit was detectable in the print. Including the transfer curve print, the 95% points in the three prints were increased by 2, 2.56, and 3, respectively. The difference in all three prints, while subtle, is clearly visible. That, to me, is amazing. What an incredible degree of control we have. One half RGB unit is equivalent to about .2% To have that degree of control with an enlarger we'd have to have the light stopped down to a 500 second overall exposure for the print (over 8 minutes). This would allow us to dodge or burn for 1 second, giving us the .2% adjustment. The numbers work out ok, but in thinking back to darkroom work, I doubt that burning for 1 second out of an 8 minute exposure would yield a noticable difference. Perhaps the paper is not sensitive enough to show it. Is my thinking off here? Anyway, it's interesting. The 2nd amazing thing is when I thought about the fact that I'm printing BO, and how the printer changes the spacing between the dots to get the various shades. It's one thing to do that at the upper end where you can see individual dots getting closer or further apart, but how does it do it down at the dark end? How in the world does it make a solid tone, so dark there are no distinguishable dots, a bit darker when I change a value by a half an RGB unit? Does it still "think" in terms of individual dot spacing, all of them ever closer together and overlapping, or does it know that at some point they are all overlapping and it just changes the amount of ink it lays down? However it does it, it's incredible. I'm a programmer, and I understand the principles by which all this is done, but I'm still in awe of it. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm <http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. 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RE: [Digital BW] Two Amazing Things
2003-02-14 by Alessandro Pardi
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