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Re: Further Adventures w/7600+ImagePrint: B&W Problem

2003-02-20 by cschaible94111 <cschaible@cooley.com>

Mitch:

I realize this may not be the kind of helpful response you were 
hoping for, but why would you expect to be able to print legacy files 
without adjustment, given that you are printing with both different 
ink and different software on a different printer?

I've recently had a similar experience.  When Cone first started 
selling Warm Neutral Piezotones in carts for the 1280, there was a 
problem with one of the grays resulting in lighter-than-expected 
midtones.  I printed with those carts anyway, and liked the prints.  
Recently, hearing that the earlier problem had been fixed, I bought 
some WN PT carts and attempted to print those same files.  Not 
surprisingly, in order to match the earlier prints, I had to adjust 
those files to compensate for the "different" ink.

Anyway, the differences that you are dealing with are far greater, 
and I expect you will simply have to create new master files tagged 
for the 7600.  One positive side effect may be that you will like 
your new files even better than the old, having had months or years 
in which to reflect on the qualities you really wanted in those 
prints.

Or not.  

Good luck!

Chuck

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Alland 
<malland@x> wrote:
> In the last report on my experiences with ImagePrint 5 and the 
7600, I 
> dealt with color printing with Photo Black on Epson Premium Semi-
Matte 
> and stated that I was very happy with the results, concluding that 
I 
> found the IP profiles slightly more accurate than Bill Atkinson's, 
> particularly in the shadow detail. Since then, I recommended IP to 
> several people.
> 
> Now, I have started trying to print B&W and have run into a brick 
wall 
> when trying to print "legacy" files, that is, old files that I 
> previously printed using PiezographyBW on the 1160: I have not been 
> able to get decent prints with IP to match the old Piezo prints. 
The 
> problem is that, when I place these legacy files in ImagePrint, the 
IP 
> Preview is "washed out," with lower contrast and higher brightness 
than 
> the view of the legacy file in Photoshop; and the new IP prints are 
> also washed out and not at all like the Piezo prints.  I've seen 
some 
> postings that other people are having the same problem.
> 
> The trouble is that whatever I try to do -- and I've tried all the 
> combinations that I can think of, including saving the 
> (Piezography-type) Custom Dot Gain as an ICC profile and opening 
the 
> file in IP with this profile; converting the profile in PS from 
Custom 
> Dot Gain to Gamma 1.8 or 2.2; assigning profiles, etc.  -- the 
Preview 
> in IP, and the IP print, are still washed out, always having much 
less 
> contrast and much more brightness than the Piezo print. Yet I 
suppose 
> that there must be a way of getting the legacy file to print the 
same 
> way they did with Piezography. Does anyone have a solution?
> 
> I've posed this question to Colorbyte last week but have not had a 
> response and now, out of desperation, I also sent a message asking 
Jon 
> Cone. Meanwhile, I'm stuck.
> 
> --Mitch/Bangkok

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