Digital BW, The Print

Oh and P.S.: Don't worry about the IP5 preview ever matching pshop. 
Just ignore it; you don't need it to match the print here anyway, just 
in pshop where the tonal adjustment tools are.
Jim H.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jim hayes 
<jimhayes@f...>" <jimhayes@f...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mitch Alland 
> <malland@x> wrote:
> > For: Jim Hayes
> > 
> > > I have been having luck either assigning (not converting) gamma 
> 2.2 to
> > > file,
> > 
> > Thanks. I tried assigning Gamma 2.2 and it works! Very close to 
the 
> > original PiezoBW print.
> >
> 
> Weird huh? I've learned not to question why anything works in the 
last 
> 2 1/2 years...
> I find that I have had to rarely make a minor adjustment, usually 
the 
> middle slider in levels on a minority of my prints.
> 
> > 
> > >  OR dropping the profile in IP5- while making sure it's default
> > > greyspace is set to gamma 2.2
> > 
> > Do you mean saving the file w/o a profile and then placing in IP 
> while 
> > the default grayspace is set to Gamma 2.2?
> >
> 
> No, I mean keep the saved file intact with the original embedded 
> custom dotgain tagged to it. Then yes, set the default greyscale 
space 
> in system tab to "gamma 2.2" in IP5 and either "prompt" or ignore 
for 
> what it does if the image has a profile coming into IP5 from Pshop. 
> Make sure that the custom dotgain is ignored (or "not used" if 
> prompted). IP5 will then use "gamma 2.2"....the profile in the 
system 
> tab. I least that's how it's supposed to work.
> 
> I suggest this second method in case you want to keep the old custom 
> dotgain associated with the file for record keeping. Once you assign 
> gamma 2.2 to everything, of course how will you know it's history, 
> unless you maybe add a note to the image (I like those yellow 
things) 
> with a history of it's prior embeded curve.
>   
> > 
> > Now, what do you do for new files that you've just prepared in PS? 
> How 
> > do you make sure the PS view matches the print from IP5?
> >
> 
> Here's what I do, see if it works for you-
> 
> After I figured out the above, I standardized on using gamma 2.2 for 
> my embeded and working space. I found it matched my particular 
> monitor/windows2000 very closly with the 2200/IP5/gamma 2.2 output 
> print. I got lucky.
> 
> BUT, if I found that I needed to have a custom dotgain curve to get 
> the print to match monitor I would go ahead and  print an image/ 
step 
> wedge with the gamma 2.2 in IP5. After drying sample I would compare 
> it to monitor and start generating a custom dotgain curve to match 
the 
> sample done in Imageprint/gamma 2.2. Then I would save the profile 
and 
> use it as default greyspace in pshop, and embed it into all my 
images. 
> BUT, importantly, I would ALWAYS ignore profile when opened in IP5 
and 
> make sure that the system tab was always set to gamma 2.2. In this 
> way, you always get output in IP5's gamma 2.2 space for your 
original 
> sample and subsequent prints into the future. SInce this output 
> corresponds to your monitor now with the custom dotgain you worked 
up, 
> it will match.
> 
> In this event your third option might be to save the file not by 
> assigning gamma 2.2 to it, nor keeping your original dotgain 
embedded 
> curve, but choose instead to assign (not convert) your new to-be 
> used-in future custom dotgain curve to your old files as they come 
up 
> for printing one by one. You would be moderenizing them to view 
> properly on your current monitor, matched to IP5/gamma 2.2 output. 
Of 
> course you must ignore profile once in IP5 in favor of gamma 2.2. 
> 
> Of course, keep your basic monitor calibrated (Photocal, Adobe 
gamma) 
> and keep updating the file in imageprint by copying the file over if 
> you use a CRT since they do drift over time.
> 
> This procedure is outlined by someone and written up as 
"softproofing 
> in greyscale" or some such, except that there gamma 1.8 is the space 
> of choice.
> Jim H.
> 
> > --Mitch/Bangkok