Digital BW, The Print

Jerry: not only can I not see a quality difference between HWM & EEM
but the exhalted Photo Rag doesn't look any better to my eye. I print
the same image consecutively on all three papers and I just can't say
HPR looks any better. All three differ, oh so slightly, but none is
better. 

I even printed HPR on the other side just to make sure I wasn't using
the back side. I had it right the first time. 

I still try be objective and open minded plus continuing to learn. In
that regard, I will say that my hextone prints (Woolf workflow) are
now looking better than my Black Only. That wasn't the case last
month. Who knows, maybe in the future my prints on big $ HPR will look
better than on cheaper paper. 

I'm still open to ideas.

Bob Michaels

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> I've used a LOT of EAM in the past, now EEM, and the color of the paper 
> was always close, but sometimes a
> batch was a little creamier color than others. I think maybe I'm
picking 
> nits here. Both are probably
> within manufacturing tolerances. I doubt anyone but a really picky 
> person would notice.  Legion's photo matte is
> still one of the nicest bright white papers, and Photo rag is still 
> probably the best warm paper. As long as I
> don't print a snow scene on it, The hahnemule papers are tops. Just be 
> sure to rub them down before printing so they
> don't flake... You'd think Hahnemuhle would have solved this problem
by now.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Bob_Michaels wrote:
> > Jerry: So I wonder if it's that my HWM is brighter than your HWM or if
> > my EEM is creamier than your EEM? Maybe the HWM is initially brighter
> > because of added brighteners which degrade over time. That might
> > support the general thinking that the EEM is relatively "more
> > archival" than HWM which is what Paul Roark alluded to. 
> > Bob Michaels
> > 
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > 
> >>Bob, My EEM is whiter than my HWM. But I got the HWM a long long time 
> >>ago....
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>Bob_Michaels wrote:
> >>
> >>>Jerry: HWM is visibly whiter but EEM is marginally thicker. I have to
> >>>say the brightness of HWM is more noticeable than the thickness of
> >>
> > EEM. 
> > 
> >>>Bob Michaels
> >>>
> >>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson
> >>><jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Its thicker and whiter.  (EEM that is).
> >>>>
> >>>>J
> >>>>
> >>>>I've sort of settled on HWM because of price and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>availability. But I have a lot of respect for your sage advice, so
> >>>>>help me understand the advantage to EEM.
> >>>>>Bob Michaels