Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message -----
From: <mh@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:12 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Negatives with 1160


> Martin,
>
> Why do you think a 1270 could do it and an 1160 would not be up to it?
>
> -mh

My thought is that in this case where you are printing a color image with
the Epson inks on the Pictorico film the 6-ink 1270 or 1280 would have an
advantage over the 4-ink 1160. It has been a long time since I compared
color prints off these printers but I recall that the 6-ink printers did a
better job.

Martin

>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" <
> mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@c...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Negatives with 1160
> > >
> > > > With the hope of combining the strengths (while avoiding the
> > > > weaknesses) of the digital and wet darkrooms, I've been exploring
the
> > > > possibility of creating digital negatives with my 1160. I've read
> > > > that this can be done --
> > > > http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/misc_pages/digital_neg_faq.htm --
> > > > however, I'm not sure just how much work, problems, troubleshooting,
> > > > etc. it would involve. If anyone on this list has gone down this
> > > > path, I'd be interesting in hearing about your experiences.
> > >
> > > I have.  As you no doubt know, this is a contact printing technique.
I
> > > think success will depend on what printing method you use.  If you
print
> > > silver prints, I would give it up and use a tried and true darkroom
> > method,
> > > i.e., an enlarger.  Silver paper, e.g., air-dried glossy fiber paper,
is
> > > pretty unforgiving.  OTOH, if you print "alt", such as palladium, it
may
> > > work out for you.  These prints are made on essentially watercolor
paper
> > and
> > > hide a lot of faults.  OTOH again, a pt/pd print will have a much
greater
> > > tonal range than a silver print.  A digital 8x10 neg is just not going
to
> > > give the same range and impact as an 8x10 in-camera negative.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > I would agree with you on the results with silver fiber but I have seen
> > palladium prints up to about 12X17 made from negatives done on a 1270
with
> > Epson dye inks. I find them indistinguishable from direct in-camera neg
> > prints. I doubt if an 1160 would be up to it though. Beautiful way to
work
> > and none of the carbon ink sets really matches the hues. Interestingly
the
> > Dmax on these prints is around 1.3 to 1.4 suggesting a much smaller
tonal
> > range than current inkjet prints. I have only tested a couple of samples
> > though and these may not be representative of the Dmax the medium can
> > achieve.
> >
> > I have a couple of silver prints from Lensworks done with imagesetter
negs
> > that you would not be able to pick out from prints made by traditionally
> > enlargement. Really high quality but as you say 3,600 or higher dpi is a
> > must.
> >
> > >  If I were
> > > you, to try it out without a lot of cost, I would use the service
bureau
> > > that Dan recommends and have negs made on at least a 3,600 dpi
> > imagesetter.
> > > The 2,400 dpi imagesetter you commonly see won't cut it.   If you
don't
> > like
> > > the results, the desktop solution (inkjet neg) sure isn't going to
work.
> >
> > Chris, if you deal with a service bureau by all means use one that has
done
> > this kind of work before. Otherwise you can waste a lot of money while
they
> > try and figure out what you want.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> >
> > (snip)
>
>
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