Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Negatives with 1160
2003-03-04 by Martin Wesley
----- Original Message ----- From: <mh@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Negatives with 1160 > Martin, > > Why do you think a 1270 could do it and an 1160 would not be up to it? > > -mh My thought is that in this case where you are printing a color image with the Epson inks on the Pictorico film the 6-ink 1270 or 1280 would have an advantage over the 4-ink 1160. It has been a long time since I compared color prints off these printers but I recall that the 6-ink printers did a better job. Martin > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" < > mwesley250@e...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@c...> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Digital Negatives with 1160 > > > > > > > With the hope of combining the strengths (while avoiding the > > > > weaknesses) of the digital and wet darkrooms, I've been exploring the > > > > possibility of creating digital negatives with my 1160. I've read > > > > that this can be done -- > > > > http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/misc_pages/digital_neg_faq.htm -- > > > > however, I'm not sure just how much work, problems, troubleshooting, > > > > etc. it would involve. If anyone on this list has gone down this > > > > path, I'd be interesting in hearing about your experiences. > > > > > > I have. As you no doubt know, this is a contact printing technique. I > > > think success will depend on what printing method you use. If you print > > > silver prints, I would give it up and use a tried and true darkroom > > method, > > > i.e., an enlarger. Silver paper, e.g., air-dried glossy fiber paper, is > > > pretty unforgiving. OTOH, if you print "alt", such as palladium, it may > > > work out for you. These prints are made on essentially watercolor paper > > and > > > hide a lot of faults. OTOH again, a pt/pd print will have a much greater > > > tonal range than a silver print. A digital 8x10 neg is just not going to > > > give the same range and impact as an 8x10 in-camera negative. > > > > Ken, > > > > I would agree with you on the results with silver fiber but I have seen > > palladium prints up to about 12X17 made from negatives done on a 1270 with > > Epson dye inks. I find them indistinguishable from direct in-camera neg > > prints. I doubt if an 1160 would be up to it though. Beautiful way to work > > and none of the carbon ink sets really matches the hues. Interestingly the > > Dmax on these prints is around 1.3 to 1.4 suggesting a much smaller tonal > > range than current inkjet prints. I have only tested a couple of samples > > though and these may not be representative of the Dmax the medium can > > achieve. > > > > I have a couple of silver prints from Lensworks done with imagesetter negs > > that you would not be able to pick out from prints made by traditionally > > enlargement. Really high quality but as you say 3,600 or higher dpi is a > > must. > > > > > If I were > > > you, to try it out without a lot of cost, I would use the service bureau > > > that Dan recommends and have negs made on at least a 3,600 dpi > > imagesetter. > > > The 2,400 dpi imagesetter you commonly see won't cut it. If you don't > > like > > > the results, the desktop solution (inkjet neg) sure isn't going to work. > > > > Chris, if you deal with a service bureau by all means use one that has done > > this kind of work before. Otherwise you can waste a lot of money while they > > try and figure out what you want. > > > > Martin Wesley > > > > (snip) > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage.
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