Digital BW, The Print

I had assumed color paper, but I wonder how he controls the tone? I have
heard that the tones will shift wildly between chemical batches. Perhaps he
has Calypso print large batches at the same time?

-----Original Message-----
From: mh [mailto:mh@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:43 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: B&W prints on the LightJet at ReedPhoto?


David Fokos does use lightjet output, but that is on color paper 
(intentionally, because he likes to tone them slightly).  If a lightjet 
were exposing true B&W paper then you would not need to worry about 
color casts. (linear exposure might be another thing) 

-mh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Biggs" <
andy@a...> wrote:
> It is my understanding that David Fokos uses Calypso Imaging in Santa
Clara,
> CA for all of his B&W prints, which are all done on the LightJet. It is my
> understanding that the process works, but it is difficult to get a
> consistent color cast, or lack thereof, out of the process.
>  
> Information here:
>  
> HYPERLINK
> "HYPERLINK
"http://www.bostick-sullivan.com/Technical_papers/Digital%20Info/Dave_Fokos/
"http://www.bostick-sullivan.com/Technical_papers/Digital%20Info/Dave_Fokos/
> davetech.htm"HYPERLINK
"http://www.bostick-sullivan.com/Technical_papers/Digital%20Info"http://www.
bostick-sullivan.com/Technical_papers/Digital%20Info
> /Dave_Fokos/davetech.htm
>  
> -Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Savoia [mailto:mark@c...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W prints on the LightJet at ReedPhoto?
> 
> 
> From all the research I have done, you could not use real black & white 
> papers on a lightjet. It prints with three colors and not a long enough 
> exposure since black & white papers have slower ISOs. Unless everyone I 
> have talked to at the major manufactures of digital to traditional 
> photographic papers equipment has been lying to me, I was under the 
> assumption it can not be done. Are you sure they are not printing on a 
> paper that requires RA-4 processing. Also I believe all of those types 
> of printers will only take rolls and not cut sheets therefor limiting 
> paper choices from Kodak or Ilford to multigrade RCs. I don't think 
> either have graded papers in rolls anymore.
> Mark
> 
> mh wrote:
> 
> > I contacted reed by phone and they verified that they do use their
> > LightJets with traditional B&W paper with traditional chemistry. Looks
> > to be about 8 times the cost of the cheap frontier output on Fuji
> > Crystal Archive so I won't go going that route very often.
> >
> > Here are the costs:
> > 8x10  $16.00
> > 11x14  $21.25
> > 16x20  $31.50
> > 20x24  $40.50
> >
> > Julian, I would like to hear more about your research regarding moving
> > from GS to RGB and the lightjet samples. Are you attempting to get as
> > neutral a print as possible or are you trying to tone it somewhat to
> > get a more pleasing result?
> >
> > -mh
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian Thomas" <
> > julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > > However they still need rgb files and it is processed in colour 
> > chemistry
> > > which is why I still class it as a 'colour-type' paper. You cannot 
> > give them
> > > a greyscale file. How you convert your file from greyscale to rgb 
> > isn't as
> > > easy as a straight PS move - I've spent a loooong time researching 
> > this and
> > > getting samples. All labs can print on BW RGB paper but this is not a
> > > straight equivalent to even an RC BW paper. very good results are 
> > possible
> > > but it is not the same as a BW FB analogue print.
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> > > Julian
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <mh@t...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] How neutral are your B&W prints on the 
> > Epson 2200?
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian Thomas"
<
> > > > julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > > > > Don't forget though that lightjets/lambdas are RGB devices and 
> > even the
> > > BW
> > > > > is a RC colour 'type' paper. Classic BW FB isn't possible. Still 
> > looks
> > > great
> > > > > though!
> > > > >
> > > > > Julian
> > > >
> > > > It appears that reedphoto.com does print on traditional Black and 
> > White
> > > > papers with their Lightjets. This is the first company that I have 
> > seen
> > > > that does this and wish more would. I assumed it wasn't possible
since
> > > > I had never heard of a company doing it. Given the relatively low
cost
> > > > for a Frontier, I would have thought a lot of labs would have 
> > dedicated
> > > > one to black and white printing. But I guess everyone is happy 
> > with B&W
> > > > on color paper; yet another "improvement" digital has forced upon
us.
> > > >
> > > > I would be fine with color paper if it had a coating that looked
like
> > > > fiber B&W glossy. Neither Glossy or "semi-matte" in Crytal Archive 
> > look
> > > > right for any B&W image of mine, even toned or duotoned.  Anyone
know
> > > > if Fuji makes a true matte color paper?
> > > >
> > > > -mh




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