I've also used this approach in the past...not to use glossy paper but to test different black inks. The key if you want to use the approach for glossy is to make sure that the gray position inks are glossy compatible. At this point that limits you to the ultrachromes, Lyson small gamut or home made ink sets. Paul's new VM 4.3 will be the first commercial pigment quad solution that will be glossy compatible. I'm now convinced that the emerging glossy papers will give the best possible results...so I think this approach is worth some effort. Epson Pro Glossy is great, the Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl is a great low cost paper and I believe that the forthcoming Oriental Fiber-Based Gloss will be what many of us have been waiting for. Another option to consider is to use a rip to drive your quads. I'm not up on all of the options (particularly for windows, because I'm a mac only house), but I know that it would be no problem to use a program like Bauhaus's ink jet control to drive either photo or matte black with no cartridge change necessary. You would simply put one black in the black position and then use one of the extra color positions (these ink set's are only actually quads) for the other black. I know Paul tried this with the epson driver, but couldn't get results he was happy with. It's easy with a program like ink jet control because each channel is directly under your control. The tricky part is then balancing the various inks...but this is easier with direct channel control than with photoshop curves that then go through a driver like Epson's that converts them from RGB to CMYK. I'm guessing that Roy Harrington's new quadtoneRIP based on GIMP-PRINT may be another similar solution for MAC and LINUX users. The nice thing about Ink Jet Control is that it has a linearizing function that allows you to just get close with the curves and then use an algorithm to fine tune it. It seems that the ideal would be to have a solution like Cone's, but not to be tied into a particular inks set...and be able to make your own curves. Then you could use the epson (or canon) driver and get the latest and greatest dithers. Robert On 3/9/03 9:19 AM, "Shilesh Jani" <shilesh.jani@...> wrote: > Hello All, > > Like many on this forum, I have been asking myself how I can get both > glossy and matte prints using a CIS/CFS committed to an ultra-chrome > like (RC compatible pigment) inkset? The problem as most know is > that the black ink is either optimized for glossy (RC) papers or for > matte papers. > > My solution: > > Use the CIS/CFS only for the color (gray) positions. In the black > position use a regular cartridge. You can fill your own black > cartridges with the choice of your ink. So, if you want to switch > from matte papers to RC papers for a particular job, all you have to > do is replace the black cartridge, while the color (gray) inks loaded > on a CIS remain the same. Vacuum filling just a single black > cartridge is not much of a hassle at all, and takes no more than 5 > minutes. Black ink consumption is lower than the color (gray) inks, > so filling frequency will be fairly low. So, you have the > convinience/low cost of a CFS/CIS AND the choice of switching RC and > matte papers. > > This is the approach I am taking with my color 1280 printer loaded > with an inkset similar to ultrachrome. > > Regards. > > Shilesh > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
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Matte/Glossy with RIPs was Re: [Digital BW] CIS/CFS & Matte/Glossy Prints on Same Printer
2003-03-09 by Robert Morrison
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