Digital BW, The Print

The 100 year rating didn't include testing the black...only the colors which
don't contain dye...a problem with Wilhelm's old test methods.  I believe he
also didn't measure color shift.

Robert

On 3/9/03 12:14 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> The gen 4 black has a +100 year rating according to MIS.  Good enough
> for me.
> 
> Jer
> 
> Robert Morrison wrote:
>> The BlackBlack will be similar in lightfastness to the Gen enhanced
>> black...both contain considerable dye stuff.
>> 
>> The real performer here will be the photo black on gloss paper...that will
>> blow away all the matte blacks on dmax.
>> 
>> Coupled with the new Oriental fiber-based gloss which is due out sometime
>> this spring it will be the ultimate digital "silver-print".
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 3/8/03 5:03 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the
>>> black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
>>> 
>>> The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to
>>> black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
>>> a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
>>> 
>>> Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above
>>> inks as far as deep blacks go?
>>> 
>>> I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned
>>> ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
>>> understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
>>> 
>>> If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times
>>> as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
>>> but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> mh wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
>>>> an all pigment ink?
>>>> 
>>>> -mh
>>>> 
>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
>>>> am1000@v...> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From MIS site's:
>>>>> As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
>>>>> VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
>>>>> this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
>>>>> Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
>>>>> and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
>>>>> ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
>>>>> is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
>>>>> Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
>>>>> <stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
>>>>> 
>>>>> inks?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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