Digital BW, The Print

> Jeff wrote:
> 
> >This was on the MIS site today:
> 
> >Mar 2, 2003 - Eboni Black Ink Released
> >We have developed a better archival black ink. It has a Dmax of 
> >1.72 on Epson Archival Matte, and shows no signs of fading or 
> >shifting after 600 hours in our Miami Sun Chamber (Atlas 
> >Weather -O-Meter). To learn more about Eboni, visit our 
> >Quadtone page. Scroll down until you see the Black Ink Update. 
> 
> >__end__
> 
> >Could this be the first piece of the new clone set? Exciting.
> 
> Yes, this is the new "high-load" black.  
> 
> Paul 
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

> Jeff wrote:
>
> >This was on the MIS site today:
>
> >Mar 2, 2003 - Eboni Black Ink Released
> >We have developed a better archival black ink. It has a Dmax of
> >1.72 on Epson Archival Matte, and shows no signs of fading or
> >shifting after 600 hours in our Miami Sun Chamber (Atlas
> >Weather -O-Meter). To learn more about Eboni, visit our
> >Quadtone page. Scroll down until you see the Black Ink Update.
>
> >__end__
>
> >Could this be the first piece of the new clone set? Exciting.
>
> Yes, this is the new "high-load" black.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

> 
> Vinny,
> 
> >Can the bottles just be switched or do you have to clean out the
> >head and lines
> 
> I think I'd clean the system.  The bases/carriers of the two are very
> different.
> 
> I'll run the question by MIS, and see if they've tried just switching
> bottles.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ____________________________________________
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Jeff wrote:
> >
> > >This was on the MIS site today:
> >
> > >Mar 2, 2003 - Eboni Black Ink Released
> > >We have developed a better archival black ink. It has a Dmax of
> > >1.72 on Epson Archival Matte, and shows no signs of fading or
> > >shifting after 600 hours in our Miami Sun Chamber (Atlas
> > >Weather -O-Meter). To learn more about Eboni, visit our
> > >Quadtone page. Scroll down until you see the Black Ink Update.
> >
> > >__end__
> >
> > >Could this be the first piece of the new clone set? Exciting.
> >
> > Yes, this is the new "high-load" black.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
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> >From MIS site's:
> As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
> VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
> this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
> Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
> and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
> ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
> is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
> Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
> <stevenr@m...> wrote:
> > Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
> inks?
> >
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> From MIS site's:
> As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density, 
> VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but 
> this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or 
> Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks 
> and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black 
> ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It 
> is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte 
> Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer 
> <stevenr@m...> wrote:
> > Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those 
> inks?
> >

-----Original Message-----
From: mh [mailto:mh@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:40 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS new black/Paul


Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
an all pigment ink?

-mh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
am1000@v...> wrote:
> From MIS site's:
> As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
> VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
> this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
> Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
> and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
> ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
> is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
> Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
> <stevenr@m...> wrote:
> > Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
> inks?
> >



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> Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is 
> an all pigment ink?
> 
> -mh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
> am1000@v...> wrote:
> 
>>From MIS site's:
>>As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density, 
>>VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but 
>>this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or 
>>Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks 
>>and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black 
>>ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It 
>>is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte 
>>Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>
>>
>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer 
>><stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>
>>>Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those 
>>
>>inks?
>>
> 
> 
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On 3/8/03 5:03 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the
> black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
> 
> The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to
> black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
> a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
> 
> Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above
> inks as far as deep blacks go?
> 
> I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned
> ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
> understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
> 
> If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times
> as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
> but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> mh wrote:
>> Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
>> an all pigment ink?
>> 
>> -mh
>> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
>> am1000@v...> wrote:
>> 
>>> From MIS site's:
>>> As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
>>> VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
>>> this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
>>> Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
>>> and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
>>> ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
>>> is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
>>> Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
>>> <stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
>>> 
>>> inks?
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:04 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: MIS new black/Paul


The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the
black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).

The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to
black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.

Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above
inks as far as deep blacks go?

I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned
ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?

If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times
as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.

Jerry






mh wrote:
> Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
> an all pigment ink?
>
> -mh
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
> am1000@v...> wrote:
>
>>From MIS site's:
>>As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
>>VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
>>this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
>>Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
>>and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
>>ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
>>is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
>>Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>
>>
>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
>><stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>
>>>Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
>>
>>inks?
>>
>
>
>
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> The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the 
> black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
> 
> The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to 
> black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
> a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
> 
> Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above 
> inks as far as deep blacks go?
> 
> I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned 
> ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
> understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
> 
> If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times 
> as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
> but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> mh wrote:
> > Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is 
> > an all pigment ink?

> Eboni and Museum black are about the same.  They are about as dark on EAM as
> the VM/FS/PiezoBW blacks were on the *old* EAM (those blacks lost a lot of
> ground with the new EAM/EEM).
> 
> Given your preferences, the Media Street Enhanced black may be what is going
> to make you happiest.  But, the darker the black, the more dye and the more
> it will warm and fade.  It may not be an issue with you, but recall the
> reaction of many to the first PiezoTone black that warmed and faded quickly.
> For many the warming and fading took place in a matter of months and was
> very noticeable.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ________________________________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: MIS new black/Paul
> 
> 
> The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the
> black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
> 
> The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to
> black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
> a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
> 
> Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above
> inks as far as deep blacks go?
> 
> I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned
> ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
> understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
> 
> If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times
> as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
> but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> mh wrote:
> 
>>Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
>>an all pigment ink?
>>
>>-mh
>>
>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
>>am1000@v...> wrote:
>>
>>>From MIS site's:
>>
>>>As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
>>>VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
>>>this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
>>>Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
>>>and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
>>>ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
>>>is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
>>>Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
>>><stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
>>>
>>>inks?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Jerry,
> 
> I am looking for longevity (for fine art bookmaking for instance) and 
> considered the museum black to be the blackest, if you take into 
> account what it will be like in a year or so. I am curious what the new 
> MIS black is like in this context.
> 
> -mh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson <
> jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> 
>>The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the 
>>black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
>>
>>The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to 
>>black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
>>a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
>>
>>Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above 
>>inks as far as deep blacks go?
>>
>>I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned 
>>ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
>>understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
>>
>>If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times 
>>as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
>>but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>mh wrote:
>>
>>>Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is 
>>>an all pigment ink?
>>
> 
> 
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> The BlackBlack will be similar in lightfastness to the Gen enhanced
> black...both contain considerable dye stuff.
> 
> The real performer here will be the photo black on gloss paper...that will
> blow away all the matte blacks on dmax.
> 
> Coupled with the new Oriental fiber-based gloss which is due out sometime
> this spring it will be the ultimate digital "silver-print".
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 3/8/03 5:03 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the
>>black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
>>
>>The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to
>>black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
>>a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
>>
>>Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above
>>inks as far as deep blacks go?
>>
>>I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned
>>ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
>>understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
>>
>>If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times
>>as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
>>but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>mh wrote:
>>
>>>Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
>>>an all pigment ink?
>>>
>>>-mh
>>>
>>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
>>>am1000@v...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From MIS site's:
>>>>As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
>>>>VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
>>>>this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
>>>>Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
>>>>and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
>>>>ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
>>>>is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
>>>>Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
>>>><stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
>>>>
>>>>inks?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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On 3/9/03 12:14 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> The gen 4 black has a +100 year rating according to MIS.  Good enough
> for me.
> 
> Jer
> 
> Robert Morrison wrote:
>> The BlackBlack will be similar in lightfastness to the Gen enhanced
>> black...both contain considerable dye stuff.
>> 
>> The real performer here will be the photo black on gloss paper...that will
>> blow away all the matte blacks on dmax.
>> 
>> Coupled with the new Oriental fiber-based gloss which is due out sometime
>> this spring it will be the ultimate digital "silver-print".
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 3/8/03 5:03 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the
>>> black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
>>> 
>>> The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to
>>> black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
>>> a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
>>> 
>>> Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above
>>> inks as far as deep blacks go?
>>> 
>>> I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned
>>> ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
>>> understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
>>> 
>>> If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times
>>> as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
>>> but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> mh wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
>>>> an all pigment ink?
>>>> 
>>>> -mh
>>>> 
>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
>>>> am1000@v...> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From MIS site's:
>>>>> As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
>>>>> VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
>>>>> this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
>>>>> Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
>>>>> and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
>>>>> ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
>>>>> is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
>>>>> Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
>>>>> <stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
>>>>> 
>>>>> inks?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> different print.
> 
> Robert

> The Ultrachrome Photo Black (and I presume the new MIS UC photo black) on a
> glossy or pearl paper will give you 2.2 dmax with excellent stability...and
> let me tell you there is a big difference between 2.2 dmax and the 1.75 that
> you will get with Gen Enhanced black and Black Black...it looks like a whole
> different print.
> 
> Robert

> Steve,
> 
> 
>>... Eboni K ... swab tests of that, [and] Museum K,...
>>the ebony was just a tad lighter. ...
> 
> 
> It's possible the sample of Eboni I have is an earlier one and that MIS has
> changed the formula a bit.  However, I suspect there might be a different
> reason the inks are not totally identical.
> 
> I think both MIS and Cone might do some final mixing and processing of these
> pigments.  While I suspect the input, raw pigment source is the same, the
> processing -- filtering and mixing to get the desired viscosity, etc. --
> might well be different.
> 
> What I found to be the same was the dmax, the tone of the inks, and the fade
> test results.  I, too, detect some differences -- the Eboni is a hair
> lighter at the 50% spot in black-only printing of the 21-step test file.
> 
> MIS may not be as comfortable with pushing the load up as high as the Museum
> black.  Perhaps such a difference would show up at the 50% patch, even
> though the 100% patch tested out as identical with the X-Rite.  As one
> approaches the dmax point, the amount of pigment needed to get any density
> increase goes exponential.  As an example, I tried double printing the Epson
> Archival black.  With one layer, the dmax was 1.50.  With a second layer --
> twice the ink -- the dmax was 1.52.
> 
> 
>>... for 7k
>>printer owners faced with changing inks: If you take the dampers of
>>the head, apply a syringe w/ bottom fill adapter, and suck out 15ml
>>of ink, you be into the new ink. ...
> 
> 
> I have not gone this far into my 7500.  How easy is it to take off the
> dampers and do this.  I have images of ink all over the place and springs
> flying across the room -- followed by a very expensive service call.
> 
> Paul
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> repurge the CIS and do it all over again - but do I have to get new 
> cartridges, since I'll be putting in the same ink that's in them?
> 
> If anyone has other suggestions, I'll try them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Barbara White
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> I just purged my old piezography inks and reinstalled my CIS with MIS 
> inks (with new cartridges) and now am getting NOTHING out of the 
> magenta nozzle. Yes, I had perfect nozzle check before I did it. I must 
> have air in that one hose. My question is: I'm pretty sure I have to 
> repurge the CIS and do it all over again - but do I have to get new 
> cartridges, since I'll be putting in the same ink that's in them?
> 
> If anyone has other suggestions, I'll try them.
> 
> Thanks,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richard@...]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:02 PM
To: Paul Roark
Subject: Re[2]: [Digital BW] Re: MIS new black/Paul


HI Paul,

I posted the question below to the list but no one answered me.  If
you have a moment your thoughts would be very appreciated.

Oh, and if there's any other black you'd recommend that I can use with
the FS-N inks and the Randall curves with my 1160 I'd sure like to
hear your suggestions. I want a deeper black than I'm getting with the
FS-N black on Photo Rag, EAM and Eclipse Satine.

Thanks


Richard


Saturday, March 8, 2003, 4:47:57 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

PR> The new MIS "Eboni" black is said to be carbon pigments with no dyes.

PR> In one of my 300 hour fade tests of a number of black and light black
inks
PR> (all printed on EAM in BO mode), Eboni and Museum were the only black
inks
PR> to not only show no visual density decrease at 100% but also at 50%.\ufffd
Even
PR> the Epson UltraChrome matte black showed some fade at the 50% patch.\ufffd
So, I
PR> would say that there is almost certainly no dye or other fast-fading
PR> substance in MIS's new "Eboni" matte black ink.

PR> Paul
PR> http://www.PaulRoark.com


This new black sounds great. I currently run an 1160 with a CFS loaded
with MIS FS-N. I am almost out of black. Does anyone know if I can
just order a bottle of this new black and refill my old black bottle
as it runs low? Or just switch the tubes into the new bottle? Of
course I realize that it will take a little time for the old ink in
the tubes to run through but eventually I'd be at pure new black.
Would there be any issues in combining the two blacks this way?

Best regards,
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> > have air in that one hose. My question is: I'm pretty sure I have to 
> > repurge the CIS and do it all over again - but do I have to get new 
> > cartridges, since I'll be putting in the same ink that's in them?
> > 
> > If anyone has other suggestions, I'll try them.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Barbara White
> > http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com

> > > repurge the CIS and do it all over again - but do I have to get new 
> > > cartridges, since I'll be putting in the same ink that's in them?
> > > 
> > > If anyone has other suggestions, I'll try them.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Barbara White
> > > http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com

On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:31  AM, jim hayes wrote:

> Thank you.
> To be clear,yes I got one too when I bought a CFS. But Barbara, by
> stating she had a CIS (not a CFS) implies that she bought it from a
> distributer of the manufacterer nomorecarts...a different design than
> the one sold by MIS and not affliaeted with it. When you buy a CIS
> therefore, you do NOT get a bottom fill adapter kit, however, I'm
> assuming the carts are similar enough that the trick will work on them
> as well.
> Jim H.
>
>

> Yes, I have a CIS. However I used Doug Fisher's advise (thanks Doug!) 
> and just used the syringe (no bottom fill adapter - I'll have to look 
> this up - and it worked!! I'm now getting perfect nozzle checks!
> 
> Barbara White
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:31  AM, jim hayes wrote:
> 
> > Thank you.
> > To be clear,yes I got one too when I bought a CFS. But Barbara, by
> > stating she had a CIS (not a CFS) implies that she bought it from a
> > distributer of the manufacterer nomorecarts...a different design than
> > the one sold by MIS and not affliaeted with it. When you buy a CIS
> > therefore, you do NOT get a bottom fill adapter kit, however, I'm
> > assuming the carts are similar enough that the trick will work on them
> > as well.
> > Jim H.
> >
> >