Digital BW, The Print

Paul, I would think this would make many users quite unhappy. I have in 
front of me 12 cone prints, a set of 4 prints
each using their Museum Black, Portfolio Black, and Black Black, with 
different inksets, warm neutral, cool neutral,
Selenium, and carbon sepia. All prints are excellent when using the 
"black black" ink.

The Museum black is a shade lighter than the portfolio black, and about 
2 shades lighter than the black black. So I guess
it's still the VM inkset for me, but exchanging the enhanced Gen 4 black 
for the one that MIS will be supplying.

The piezotones with the black black are excellent, but I suppose their 
black black isn't all that stable. There are just
too many blacks out there now. Can't keep up. Is there any way to tell 
how good Cone's black black is good for in years?

And if one bought the Selenium tone inkset and you used Enhanced Gen 4 
black, would that change the tones of the
entire print? like crossovers?

Do you have an Epson 2200 printer yet, and if so, what inks are you 
using in it? I have a 1280 that I cannot get rid
of the slight banding in random areas, so I suppose I'll have to replace 
it fairly soon.  It looks exactly like not enough
ink is being laid down on the paper. I've tried plain paper and PQIJ 
settings, but it doesn't help. I've cleaned the
printer using every known method. It just won't go away. If the new 
Canon used pigments, I'd probably try it, but
I don't want to be among the first to try that!

Jerry


Jerry


> Eboni and Museum black are about the same.  They are about as dark on EAM as
> the VM/FS/PiezoBW blacks were on the *old* EAM (those blacks lost a lot of
> ground with the new EAM/EEM).
> 
> Given your preferences, the Media Street Enhanced black may be what is going
> to make you happiest.  But, the darker the black, the more dye and the more
> it will warm and fade.  It may not be an issue with you, but recall the
> reaction of many to the first PiezoTone black that warmed and faded quickly.
> For many the warming and fading took place in a matter of months and was
> very noticeable.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> ________________________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:04 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: MIS new black/Paul
> 
> 
> The Museum black isn't all that black. Portfolio is better, and the
> black black is the blackest. (Cone inks).
> 
> The Generations 4 black is deeper than any of the above. Very close to
> black black. Very. But enhanced is still just
> a tiny bit blacker. I could live with the Black Black from cone.
> 
> Where does the new MIS version 4.3 black fit in here with the 4 above
> inks as far as deep blacks go?
> 
> I  recieved 12 little prints from Cone, and I think the Selenium toned
> ink print with the Black Black is gorgeous. But I
> understand the black black is not very stable. Anyone know for certain?
> 
> If they had at least an honest 35 year life and they weren't three times
> as expensive as most other inks, I'd use them
> but first I'd like to see and hear more about the MIS 4.3 inks.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
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> 
> mh wrote:
> 
>>Since they are comparing it to Museum Black can we assume that this is
>>an all pigment ink?
>>
>>-mh
>>
>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" <
>>am1000@v...> wrote:
>>
>>>From MIS site's:
>>
>>>As of March 1, 2003, Eboni has taken the place of the Double Density,
>>>VM & FS black inks. We have not changed part numbers or prices, but
>>>this is what you will now get when you order VM, VMS, FS, FSN or
>>>Double Density Black. It has the same Dmax, 1.72 as the other inks
>>>and will not effect profiles or workflow curves. It is the best black
>>>ink we have ever made and it is superior to Cone's Museum Black. It
>>>is also what we use in our PG and 7600 Archival inks as the Matte
>>>Black. The older co-solvent based black is no longer available
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Schaefer
>>><stevenr@m...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Paul I am using the MIS FSN inks. is this a replacement for those
>>>
>>>inks?
>>>
>>
>>
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