----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Infused Paper? + PMA report: DIMA Shoot Outs results available > Harald, you wrote: > > > Ernst: <... Schoellershammer (Germany) brought some inkjet > coated papers on > > the market about 18 months ago. They claimed that the paper was > coated in the > > paper pulp before actual papermaking and that it had > advantages.... > > > > > I didn't realize this, but if true, they sure didn't do a very > good marketing > > job! ;-) Since Edmunds claims the patent, I assume the > Schoellershammer > > process is somewhat different. > > It isn't so specific on the website as they said it at the > introduction but reading between the lines helps in this case: > > http://www.schoellershammer.de/eng/prod_fine_art/fine_art_main.ht > ml > > What I also miss is a reference to a pigment ink variety, maybe > their conclusion became later on the same as mine then. > > Checked the prospect papers and proof sheets that I got (24 > months ago exactly) and there they wrote it was compatible with > pigment printers like the Epson 9500. > > With emphasise on dye ink and better fade properties it gets more > and more similarity to the FutureWales claims. > > I must have some normal Bockingford aquarel paper (non inkjet) > and I still have a dye printer, could try that out. Wilhelm > tested Iris dye inks on normal aquarel papers like Arches quite > favourably, it can't be that history repeats itself ;-) > > Ernst Looking at a piece of Bockingford I'm sure it isn't free of OBA's. The proof sheet says "Bockingford Tub Sized" the Dutch distributor added "Surface sized" to its description. All in all a heavy sized paper like most watercolour papers. Most likely gelatine sizing or PVA. That is very compatible to certain dye inks like Ilfords Archiva. But getting a patent for that combination amazes me. Can't be that Ilford, Ciba, Lyson forgot to apply for one isn't it ? Are there special patents written in Cymric ? Yes, I'm sceptic on this "news" :-) Ernst
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Infused Paper? + PMA report: DIMA Shoot Outs results available
2003-03-12 by Ernst Dinkla
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