Alessandro
Hope we can get a chance to see more results. Interesting abouot re-rating the film to get less dense shadow areas. The 3200 can't dig into the very dense Velvia shadows and the prints show a total black. Some shadow areas do have detail though, which becomes apparent with judicious use of curve adjustment layers.
I know a lot of people re-rate Velvia to ISO 40 or sometimes 25 to get less saturation and better shadow detail - might give that a try, although I normally use Provia 100 which I prefer. I am getting some excellent Portra scans though, which is great because I almost gave up on Portra as I couldn't get it to scan well previously, even on the Flextight Photo!
Still waiting for my Kami fluid - might try some virgin olive oil as I am getting impatient. Might add a nice sepia touch to my b&w images ;-)
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Alessandro Pardi
To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
Simon,
I have scanned a few more images, but I no longer made tests to compare
results w/ and w/o fluid: I just use it. I have, anyway, something to
report:
a) Forget what I wrote in the message below: the fluid alone (at least Kami)
doesn't keep curled film flat. My 6x7 negs are *very* slightly bent, but
just enough to make the corners raise, and this results in a white line in
the scan corresponding to the rim of the wet area of the film. The solution
I found is to lay the film down the other way, so that the corners push down
rather than up (the curls aren't obviously strong enough to lift the whole
film). I noticed no difference in scans whether the fluid is on the
emulsion side or on the other side.
b) Carefully as I lay the film, I still get the occasional very tiny air
bubble in the fluid, very hard to detect at naked eye before scanning, quite
visible in the scan as a brighter area with a much brighter border. Nothing
that a local burn and the clone tool can't get rid of, still a bit annoying
(may even force to rescan should it be in a highly detailed area of the
image where cloning is not a option, e.g. the face of a person).
c) I seem to get high noise in deep shadows. I'd like to investigate a bit
before drawing conclusions, as Portra400BW is reportedly a low density film,
so there should be no problems (especially considering your good results
with Velvia!). Next roll I shoot I'll try following Tony Dummett's advice
(look here for details http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=281355
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=281355> ) where he suggests to
rate B&W chromogenics at 100ASA rather than 400 exactly to avoid grainy and
noisy shadows.
Alessandro
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@...]
Sent: mercoledì 12 marzo 2003 14:53
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
Alessandro
Do you have any other images to share to show the results of oil mounting?
I haven't got my fluid yet so I have not been able to try it out.
Thanks.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Alessandro Pardi
To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
Simon
I think that even the most curled film would behave with the fluid. As for
positioning the film, with 6x7 in the 4x5 area you have plenty of room
(the
only issue may be getting it vertically and horizontally aligned, but you
can always rotate it in Photoshop). If you scan 4x5 you probably need a
custom carrier (but then again, I didn't personally verify that the epson
*needs* the carrier to perform calibration).
Alessandro
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@...]
Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 10:57
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
Alessandro
Great! I shall get some Kami fluid and try to emulate your success. I
take it that absolutley flat film is required, or does the surface tension
of the fluid keep it flat? Also, how do you get alignment of the frame to
be scanned? It seems that it might be difficult to get the frame square
in
the mddle of the 4"x5" frame.
Regards.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Alessandro Pardi
To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
Simon,
step-by-step:
1) Put the epson carrier on the glass. I think that if you skip this
step
the scanner may have problems in calibrating.
2) Put a few drops of fluid on the glass, in the 4x5" area. My first try
was
2 drops, but this is barely enough to cover the 6x7 surface: with 4 you
get
some fluid overflowing, but that's not a big issue.
3) Place one edge of the film down on the fluid, then gently bend the
film
to avoid air being trapped (in my first attempt I got a couple air
bubbles,
and they are definitely visible in the final scan).
4) Scan away.
5) Remove the film. The fluid very quickly evaporates. Kami say that it
leaves no residues, both on film and on glass: this isn't completely
true,
but I don't feel it's a problem.
BTW I started these tests to verify whether focus plane was on glass, or
where the carrier keeps the film, or anywhere in between. Laying the
film
on
the glass with no fluid gives NO better results on my scanner, and
generates
Newton rings. So the better quality I get with the KAMI isn't due to
focusing, but to the fluid itself.
Alessandro
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Lamb [mailto:simon@sclamb.com]
Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 10:23
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
Alessandro
An impressive result. I am getting some great scans from the 3200 now,
especially since I swapped to Silverfast Ai and calibrated the scanner
with
the reflective and transparent targets. Even the Delta 100 black and
white
scans are much better. To the untrained and non-critical eye they are
not
that different from the Flextight Photo at normal viewing distance.
Can you provide some step by step instructions for how you are mounting
the
images you scanned. Are you using fluid direclty on the platten or have
you
fabricated a glass carrier?
Thanks for working to show how scans can be improved.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: Alessandro Pardi
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:05 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I thought some may be interested in the
performance of this new scanner.
Tests I made are not comparison with other scanners (you can find
plenty
of
them on the web), but simply how to get the best out of it. As you can
see
in the following image:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299>
< http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299> >
< http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299>
< http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299&size=lg> &size=lg>
&size=lg>
&size=lg
I found that the Kami fluid SXL 2001 is well worth the trouble of both
finding it and using it (it's a bit messy, although less than I
feared).
Technical details in the photo.net page should fully explain the test,
but
feel free to ask for further information.
The following is the first "real" scan (not including tests, I mean) I
made
with the Epson:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580>
< http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580> >
< http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580>
< http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580&size=lg> &size=lg>
&size=lg>
&size=lg
all other photographs in my photo.net folders are 35mm scanned with a
Canon
FS 4000.
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson3200 - Test results
2003-03-12 by Simon Lamb