Paul, I did a "brush test" last night between the eboni and the Enhanced black. I was quite surprised to see that the eboni ink is shiny, almost glossy. Did you find this to be true also? should it matter in actual printing? I coated Aspen paper, with the two inks, side by side, and used a brush, not a dip and dunk test. This morning, I see the eboni ink is still shiny, and a HAIR darker than the enhanced ink. What do you think? I didn't get the full set of 4.3 inks because they wouldn't guarantee them, or under any circumstances could they be returned or a refund given. I don't like the sound of that. Jerry Paul Roark wrote: > > Jerry, > > >... about to load a regular set of VM inks with the Eboni Black > >into my new CIS tomorrow. > >What is the difference between the 5 gray MIS VM inks and the > >5 gray Ultratone inks? > > The inks are totally new, but with the same densities. So, they'll work > with the same old curves. The new gray inks are a bit warmer. > > > What are the advantages of the ultratones? > >I understand the Ultratones are more archival, > > Yes. And there will be no initial warming that many noticed with the first > generation of B&W inksets. > > > but give about the same quality prints? > > I think the tone is better and the useful range greater. The toner this > time is mixed to give a "lightly-selenium-toned" silver print look with the > "nc" curve. Since there is no warming, I did not build in any coolness to > offset that. > > For many the RC compatibility is going to be a big plus. I have no doubt > that the paper/chemical industries will figure out how to make a surface > that duplicates the "air dried silver print" look so many of us found to be > about the best there is. Also, the chemical industry has proved itself very > capable of producing substances that never deteriorate in the environment. > So, I expect archival RC papers soon. > > >There are just too many inks out there now. > > If I were MIS, not only would the VM/FS black disappear, but so would the > MIS VM inkset. > > > The piezotone selenium inkset and the > >black black sure do look nice... > > If you like PiezoTone Selenium, you'll like the new Ultra-Tone B&W with the > "nc" curve. It looks almost identical to the PT-S on EAM. > > >Wonder how they'd look with the Eboni > >black replacing the "black black"? > > I expect the "black black" is darker than the Eboni. However, I don't know > in real images that are not side-by-side how much it matters. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [Digital BW] Eboni Black/regular VM grays
2003-03-16 by Jerry Olson
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