Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Jim, there are a couple of CIS systems now available for the 2200. Are
> you or will you be using one of these?
>

No plans at the moment. I feel in my environment they don't work well
past about three months in 1280 so don't want to risk it in 2200. I
used mainly self-filled carts in the 1280 with standard VM.
 
> and if you do, would you be using the MIS ultratone inks?

They don't have the inkset set up for the 2200 do they? I was thinking
of trying them (they are the 4.35, alais "eboni" inkset right?) in the
1280 as carts only that I either fill myself or buy from MIS if
possible. Now, I may wait a month to see how it works for others. 

 Maybe the
> printheads have been improved on the 2200.


The We-Ink folks told me once that they thought the 2000P head was
better designed for pigment than the 1160/1280, apparently something
to do with more gentle angles for the ink flow "plumbing" through the
heads. But I can't confirm this, it's really rumor to me. I really
don't know about the 2200. I DO know that something funny is going on
near the parking pad...there's some sort of little wiper that moves in
and out during a clean or charging cycle- much different than the 1280.

Other than this I have no clue as to why the 2200 seems so problem
free vs my 1280 with Epson dye ink.

 They should have done
> SOMEthing to it to justify it's much higher price. Perhaps the printhead
> is much more industrial strength than the 1280?

Again, I don't know. I ventured a guess above, but no facts to base it
on. I have questions, no answers.

> 
> I'm getting pretty fed up with all the clogging and banding with the CIS
> systems, considering how little problem this is with the epson inks and
> cartridges.

I hear you. Except with me, I also have some degree of problems just
trying to run OEM carts in 1280. Not as bad as VM inkset though.


  But I just cannot and will not pay 70 percent more for
> epson inks. I'm too much of a tightwad. And also, they STILL don't make
> an inkset for just black and white prints.



Yes this is the BIG problem. IP5 (or alternate RIP or workflow) needs
to come down in price and use a modifed Epson 2200 inkset maybe- I
speculate that if just the Y cart was swapped for a light grey, the
quality of BW prints on 2200 would improve vastly. Think of it as
swapping out one cart to switch from color to BW-just like is now done
with photo k to mat k in 2200 when going from RC to mat paper.

And yes the Epson ink carts get expensive. I am nowhere near high
volume, an occasional printer. In three months I have gone through 6
carts and am about to replace another two, which equals about $70-$80,
more than five months plus of MIS VM standard inkset in 4 oz bottles.

Still, I don't have to fuss with chip resetting/blowing out, cart
filling, clogging, more clogging, etc. It really is easy to operate
this printer but it comes at a price, both $$ and dots in highlights.
Jim H.

> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> jim hayes wrote:
> > 
> > I've been reading a lot about Eboni ink clogging in 1280 this morning,
> > after a few days hiatus from the group.
> > 
> > I think it's far far too early to speculate if this is a problem
or not.
> > 
> > Forgive me if I repeat some from previous posts.
> > 
> > I will throw out one observation I've been making over the past three
> > months: My 2200 with Epson UC ink is nearly clog free. I have ruined
> > six prints due to banding, a very small number, and it hasn't happened
> > for awhile. I've only had to do maybe 4-6 head cleanings in three
> > months to get perfect nozzle checks. I check the nozzles maybe every
> > week to ten days and they almost always are perfect.
> > 
> > My 1280 used to run standard VM inks in it and I would check the
> > nozzles twice a day. Roughly 1/4 of the time the nozzle check wasn't
> > good. So obviously I ran lot's of cleaning cycles.
> > 
> > Since then I put Epson carts back in and turn the 1280 on and run a
> > nozzle check every week. Roughly 1/2 of the time I get a bad nozzle
> > check that takes 2 or three cleanings to clear- or some times I have
> > to let it sit overnight. It not confined to the k ink- any color can
> > go bad.
> > 
> > That's quite a difference in maintainance 2200 vs 1280, esp
> > considering I now have original Epson DYE ink in the 1280.
> > 
> > Perhaps there is old VM residue in the 1280 head. Or my environment is
> > just too tough on printheads. I do have a C62 printer as well that has
> > always had OEM dye in it and it clogs regularly too.
> > 
> > Something about the 2200 resists clogging. I don't know what it is.
> > Even dye ink in the 1280 gives trouble. I don't know why.
> > 
> > I'm not implying anything here I hope- more like I have open questions
> > about the behavior of these two printers sitting side by side that I
> > can't resolve. I don't know what would happen if one put Eboni ink in
> > 2200 or Epson UC ink in 1280...
> > Jim H.
> > 
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