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Re: [Digital BW] Neutral black and white prints with the Epson 2100/2200?

2003-03-30 by Jim Richey

Hi Sam,
To get custom profiles made for a paper/printer combination do a google search on "custom printer profiles" and several companies will pop up that do them including Jon Cone's InkJetMall and George Lepp. I am sending my test target prints to Uwe Steinmueller at outbackphoto.com. See his profiling service web page at

http://www.outbackphoto.com/profiling_service/profiling.html

There are instructions for downloading and printing the profiling test pages on the web page. Each printer/paper profile costs $70. I cannot tell you at this stage whether it will be worth the money or not. However there are several positive testimonials on the web page.

Jim Richey
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sam 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:46 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Neutral black and white prints with the Epson 2100/2200?


  Hi Jim,

  How would you go about getting custom profiles made??

  Sam

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jim Richey [mailto:j.richey@...] 
  Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:02 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Neutral black and white prints with the Epson
  2100/2200?


  I can't offer much help but I have some observations.

  I unboxed a new Epson 2200 this last week which I purchased for making
  black and white prints. I too am quite interested in neutral prints. One
  of the first test prints I made was of a 21 step wedge on Enhanced Matte
  with Matte ink. There was a definite magenta cast to the print,
  especially in the middle to light tones. I tried printing the same step
  wedge on the same paper selecting Epson Watercolor paper as the media.
  This combination produced a much more neutral print with some very
  slight magenta in the middle tones. This is a sort of "shot in the dark"
  fix that is easy to try.

  As a side observation, which may or may not be relevant, my printer has
  been using light magenta ink at a faster rate than the other inks. And
  many ink suppliers are out of stock on the light magenta cartridge.

  I am in the process of having custom printer profiles made for three of
  the papers I use in hopes this will lead me toward more neutral prints,
  or at least understanding the problem.

  Jim Richey
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: martinshakeshaft 
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:24 AM
    Subject: [Digital BW] Neutral black and white prints with the Epson
  2100/2200?


    I know from the archive that this subject has been covered before but 
    I have still to see a definitive answer.

    Is it possible to get neutral black and white prints with the Epson
    2100/2200?

    Well here I am one box of paper down and I have still to see a black 
    and white print that I like!

    Straight out of the box I find the black and white prints I am 
    getting are too magenta, especially with the Semi gloss paper samples 
    included with the printer. So I tried Ilford Smooth Gloss. These were 
    a bit better but still not what I wanted. I have surfed around the 
    net for advice, including Redriver and luminous-landscape and whilst 
    the quality improves when I hold my prints next to a traditional 
    darkroom print the differences are all too depressingly obvious. 
    There are colour casts in some tonal ranges.....

    So I turned to the Grey Balancer. Several prints later and a lot less 
    ink and I still don't appear to be any further on towards a totally 
    neutral, Ilford Multigrade looking print.

    Even prints printed with black ink only are not neutral, they look 
    slightly cyan in the darker tonal ranges.

    I phoned Lyson Inks who say a Black and white set of inks will be 
    available in the next couple of weeks for the 2100/2200, so is this 
    my only answer? I am disappointed if this is the route I have to take 
    as I did want to be able to print colour and black and white, but 
    black and white is my bread and butter work at the moment.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Martin



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