Digital BW, The Print

That's a very interesting possibility, Ernest.  It could also explain why
Hahnemuhle coating consistency and composition is so different across so
many of its different rebrand papers.  This end user wants
brighteners...this one doesn't...etc. If the end user does have some say in
the final coating formulation that could also explain why some lots of
Hahnemuhle papers flake terribly while others don't...then again it could
also just be poor manufacturering practice and a delicate formula.  The only
thing this doesn't explain is the incredible texture differences in the the
William Turner papers...but that is presumably wide tolerances with what the
paper mill actually accepts with respect to felt wear.

Robert


On 4/16/03 12:41 AM, "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...> wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernst Dinkla" <E.Dinkla@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Perma Jet Portrait Classic
> 
> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stephen Kobrin" <skobrin@...>
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Perma Jet Portrait Classic
>> 
>> 
>>> Politics and free markets aside, my original question was
>> whether
>>> anyone knows of anything in the Perma Jet coating that would
>> make it
>>> worth more that the basic H. rag.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>> 
>> First of all I'm surprised that Hahnemuhle delivers raw
> substrate
>> to be coated by another party for sale outside the Hahnemuhle
>> distribution chain. Hahnemuhle's paper mill couldn't keep up
> with
>> demand for their own channels (including the rebranded papers).
>> I'm told that the mill is the bottleneck in HM's production,
>> could even be that they buy raw stock from other mills.
>> There's much more profit in selling inkjet coated paper than in
>> selling the raw stock. Enough old paper mills in Europe that
> can
>> deliver the raw stuff for low prices but not the right coating
>> (Lana, Magnani, Fabrioni, Schut).
>> 
>> Few coatings rival the quality of the Hahnemuhle coating. It
> has
>> its flaws but in general it is the best for image quality.
>> 
>> So I guess it is either a rebranded Hahnemuhle paper or a
>> substrate from another company but then it should be good news
>> that the Perma Jet coating is as good as it sounds.
>> 
>> Ernst
> 
> Reading the MIS description on their site I get the picture:
> Hahnemuhle doesn't coat the papers in house, as far as the
> information goes it is coated in Switzerland by a firm that coats
> for more manufacturers (Sihl among them). The coating itself is
> HM's development though. Big paper rolls are returned to Dassel
> for confectioning for the Hahnemuhle chain or go directly to
> rebranders (USA mainly) for confectioning. MIS describes what
> Hahnemuhle does but gives the coating a name.
> 
> There's one way to check whether this explanation is BS: print
> both papers with the same profiles and settings. If the
> difference is small then it still could be a batch difference, if
> there's no difference then there's no difference.
> 
> Ernst
> 
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