Digital BW, The Print

nick90290 wrote:

>2) Of course I sent Lyson samples of prints - green-shifted ones, 6 
>months old, and fresh, still-sepia ones printed that day as
>comparison 
>reference. They didn't ask for any inks back.  
>  
>
Well, you did the right thing.. Strange...

>3) Many of the prints that shifted green were done on Lyson Standard 
>Fine Art paper, and sprayed with Lyson Print Guard.
>  
>
OK

>4) You jump the gun - of course I comprehend the difference between 
>metamerism and an OVERALL across-the-board shift to green in the 
>prints. It is the latter I'm referring to. Yes, you get metamerism 
>with SG in a way you never do with MIS pigments, but that was always 
>evident from the outset. Prints turning green was
>not. 
>Nor was it in my two friends' prints who have also seen their prints 
>turn green with SG inks.
>  
>
I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't tel the difference.. I just 
wanted to know the whole story..

>5) Now it's you who are jumping the gun again, presuming stuff with
>an 
>angry, vaguely abusive rant before hearing the complete story.
>Perhaps you should practice what you preach. 
>  
>
Perhaps... Now that I know you sent samples to Lyson I'd have to say 
both you and Lyson responded as well as you might to the problem.. 
However, comments attacking the company are IMHO misplaced and unfair. 
 As unfair as those who wanted to "make EPSON pay" for the "orange shift."
  

>The point is I am NOT pissed off at metamerism, but I am pissed off
>at my prints turning green. And I did present proof. I have dozens of 
>prints as proof. I don't want to build a soapbox, but I do consider 
>Lyson to be irresponsible in their marketing of these inks, and I am 
>far from alone in this opinion.
>  
>
OK, so with three reports on lists of over 5,000 members aggregate, I'd 
say this is not a huge issue.. It may be a significant impact on you 
personally but it isn't as if the printer blows up and injures someone.. 
 In a case like that, if three printers blew up, ok, I'd say it was 
serious.  But,  to show data that three people out of the many users of 
these inks have had problems and therefore the marketing of the inks as 
having long-life is irresponsible is a huge inferential leap..

I'd certainly be interested in seeing two things:

1)    Whether the lot numbers of the inks were the same, or if you and 
your friends got inks via the same vendor or distributor...  (It may 
well have been a case of inks subjected to extremes BEFORE you received 
them)

2)    If you and your two friends live in similar atmospheric areas... 
 It could well be something atmospheric particular to your locations..

Keith

 

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