Thanks, Tom, for the excellent information. Up until recently almost everything I've done has been TriX in D76 1:1, or Bergger or TMax in pyro. But, I really like the look of the Portra, and digital ice works with it when needed. I knew it wasn't archival, but -- I need to get off my duff and get a fridge for it. --Jeb > Portra 400 b&w is not an archival film. It is chromogenic. When the Great > Yellow Father speaks of "Excellent Latent Image Keeping" in the sales pitch, > they are referring to the amount of time between exposure of the film and > it's development. The reason of course is nothing to do with Portra film > itself, the problems of delayed processing of color emulsion film is changes > in color balance, and since Portra has no color this is not an issue. This > has been known by Kodak for years and is why there are "professional" color > films as well as amateur that are actually the same film, the only > difference is the color balance of a professional color film is adjusted in > manufacture with the idea it will be frozen until use and developed > promptly. Amateur film is designed to be stored at room temperature and in > the camera up to six months. > > As for archival storage of processed chromogenic film, refrigeration (NOT > freezing) is required in order for it to last, however I don't know of > specific life expectancy charts for this particular film. I would not be > surprised to see a 3-10 year life for the color version of Portra (meaning > 15% fade of least stable color layer). A great analogy is the difference > between dye and pigment printers, that is the difference between single > layer color film marketed as B&W, compared to real silver emulsion B&W. > Here is what Wilhelm has to say about the overall archival considerations of > chromogenic (pg 23) "Among the available color processes, chromogenic films > and prints as a group have the distinct limitation of being relatively > unstable in dark storage. While most classes of dyes are subject to light > fading, chromogenic dyes are almost unique among commercially available dyes > in that many of them also have poor stability when stored in the dark unless > kept at refrigerated temperatures." I might add here that EK knows all > about this, and if Portra film had a good life expectancy rating you can bet > they would make a big deal about it. For details of storage recommendations > for photographers, check Wilhelm's book chapter 19 "Frost-Free Refrigerators > for Storing Color and Black-and-White Films and Prints" or else just go get > a Kenmore true frost free (not cycle defrost). If you don't mind a used one, > they can be had at auctions for $100 or whatever. > > best regards, > Tom Robinson > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
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Re: [Digital BW] re: film processing
2003-05-16 by Ken Carney
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