I also made a few experiments, and actually found that using the levels tool will actually enhance grain/grain aliasing more than curves or the burn/dodge tool. Anyway, the burn/dodge tool is quite awkward to use when you have a large section of the image to burn or dodge, as it is incremental (i.e. every stroke adds) so it's almost impossible to evenly darken skies, for instance. On the other hand, curves are better than levels in general, but it depends how steep a curve you have to apply to get the image where you want to. What I found can be a solution (but I'm still exploring) is to save a copy of the image before setting black and white points, so that contrast is very low (i.e. grain doesn't show). You can then darken/lighten it as needed and use it as a layer above the "correct" image, with a mask to affect only the parts you want to, playing with the blending mode (overlay, multiply and soft/hard light being the most effective) to fine tune the results. Alessandro -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Kobrin [mailto:skobrin@...] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:32 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] levels and grain As a result of all of the posts over the last week about levels and grain, spent some time this afternoon experimenting with a scanned image that degrades easily -- a very dirty white door on a rotting old house. It did appear that using curves rather than levels (16 bit) did lessen image degradation considerably. Is that an artifact of this particular scan or will hold generally? The only problem with working in levels in 16 bit is that as you cannot use an adjustment level, there is no going back to revise what you have done. Steve Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=249982.3179269.4495679.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050191 82:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12ongbbsq/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir? camp=556&lineid=3179269&prop=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=249982.3179269.4495679.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=481947704> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] levels and grain
2003-06-09 by Alessandro Pardi
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