Digital BW, The Print

Steve,

See Martins post that precedes this one. That is what surprised me, 
more the tone of it than anything else, you also go that way in your 
post as well. In other words, if we aren't professional photographers 
and haven't spent a million dollars and years of our time in our 
quest, then our tastes are insignificant and we wouldn't know quality 
when we saw it? Please remember, us "unprofessionals" are closer to 
the core audience that the professionals are trying to sell to. 

You say the MIS inks have problems, outside of the lack of curves at 
this point, what specifically do you see as a problem? Not trying to 
poke or anything, just curious.

Also curious as to why you went to the MIS VM if you were content 
with the Piezo.

Can't really disagree with your statements based upon your 
experiences, after all they are your experiences.

My feeling is that most Piezo users would be happy and in the 
majority IF they had inks that worked as advertised (as well as the 
toning options available with the MIS inks at the moment) and the 
Piezo driver were as forgiving as the Epson driver. Why else would 
they be seeking alternatives and posting complaints if they were 
content?

Terry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sdmey4@a... wrote:
> Terry, Michael K.? What was it about Tylers post that set you back? 
It seemed 
> like  honest advice geared to the new user trying to make up his 
mind on 
> which way to go.
> I didn't see anything out of line from Tyler's post. I would say he 
has a 
> correct bias towards Piezo inks and driver, because he knows how 
hard it is 
> to match that quality, probably more than anyone. I can personally 
attest to 
> the fact that I've wasted the savings on the price of ink(piezo vs, 
MIS) on 
> Paper!  5 weeks of MIS inks with the 7000 = no savings and probably 
200 hours 
> of my time. Hey! but this was my choice, I like MIS inks, they are 
quite 
> different from Piezo inks. I suspect most of the clogging problems 
come from 
> Small variable dot printers such as the 1160, which probably has 
the most 
> piezo users! What was touted as the best piezo printer by hundreds 
of posts 
> may in fact be wrong, especially for long term piezo use.Remember 
when it was 
> the 3000 taking all the heat? View the archives for a 10  to1 
problem user 
> report on the 1160.(ten times as many 1160's probably) Readers, 
remember! 
> everything on these lists are opinions and this list reads 
sometimes like we 
> are getting MIS inks shoved down our throats as the Miracle inks, 
the anti 
> clog ink, the Vari tone ink, the $12.00 ink, The not brown ink, and 
on and 
> on. There are problems with MIS inks, in my opinion! 
> It might help to understand where Tyler is coming from, We both 
used MIS Inks 
> in 1998! 3+ years ago, and we where both happy to jump ship when 
piezo came 
> along, Thousands of dollars and hours spent fooling with these inks 
and 
> trying to get a work flow down. The Work Flow? Tyler mastered it, 
Jon Cone is 
> selling a variation of it with an all new driver!  He is just 
giving a 
> warning to new users who think they can Jump on board Get MIS VM 
inks, load 
> up Pauls curves and get printing cheap! Cheap and Digital printing 
are direct 
> contradictions. Really, this list does read like a pro MIS list and 
a piezo 
> bashing one. Mike! You spent quite some time with Paul getting down 
with the 
> VM inks on your 7000. Even after getting it right on. it turns out 
its still 
> too much trouble, and that you've gone back to piezo! Tyler was 
just trying 
> to point out that after all the trouble the best your going to get 
is CLOSE 
> to piezo! I'm good with MIS on my 7000 for now, but I really want 
to get  
> into a simple grayscale 16bit piezo output, then everything else is 
the 
> actual file. I won't have to make as many test prints or make an 
adjustment 
> because I switched paper. New users? It all depends on how picky 
you are. See 
> some prints somewhere.....
> Between the piezo list and this one its the same 10=15 people over 
and over 
> again. If you think the happy Piezo users are a minority, you gotta 
be nuts! 
> I'am happy with both ink sets right now! 
> Quadtone schizophrenic ;)
> Steve M.
> 
> In a message dated 09/30/2001 7:27:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> terryr1028@h... writes:
> > Michael,
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > His post caught me off guard also, which prompted my reply.
> > 
> > Honestly Tyler, you are one of those that I respect on this list 
and 
> > I didn't expect that from you. :-(
> > 
> > Terry
> > 
> > 
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