Digital BW, The Print

Mark,

As you say you have been researching direct digital to fiber based methods,
I'm sure you probably have see this, but on the odd chance you haven't,
check out this internet link:
http://www.odyssey-sales.co.uk/news/browse.asp?article=6

It's for a standard enlarger with a 'digital' head attached in place of the
regular one. Uses the same technology as the digital theater projectors you
find in some movie theaters. No film negatives involved, just load you
digital file from the computer and enlarge away onto any silver paper you
want to use.

The only catch, this things costs about $15,000 if memory serves me
correctly! But it is currently the ONLY way I know of to make silver/fiber
prints from digital images.


Best Regards,

David R. Spielman



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Savoia [mailto:mark@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:06 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] BW lightjet (update)


I have doing plenty of research of doing direct digital to fiber based
silver gelatin papers and I agree it will never happen. The papers ISO
are way too slow.

Doing a digital interneg and contact printing does however work pretty
well. Still nothing like throwing a neg in an enlarger and printing it
directly. Some things were just not meant to be.

Mark

David R. Spielman wrote:

>Julian,
>
>The black & white prints that I have made using the Lightjet 5000 at Reed
>have had the following densities.
>
>Have you had similar results?
>
>paper white: 0.09  (0.09, 0.10, 0.07, 0.09 - R,G,B,V)
>dMAX: 1.61  (1.60, 1.63, 1.64, 1.61 - R,G,B,V)
>
>The 1.61 dMAX is typical of a matte finish RC paper regardless of how it
was
>exposed (conventional enlarger or LightJet)
>
>I don't think there is anything the folks at Reed can do to improve the
dMAX
>of this Kodak paper, short of changing paper, which isn't likely, as this
is
>the only B&W silver/gelatin paper available for use in photoprinters.
>
>I have their 'calibration kit' - it's only a CD with a few images in it.
>They don't have any king of ICC profile for this B&W paper as far as I
know.
>If you know differently, please let us know.
>
>I wasn't 'unhappy' with the B&W prints I made with the LightJet and this
>Kodak paper. It's matte finish and slight warm tone are not much different
>than other conventional RC papers I've used in the past.
>
>I've also made B&W prints using the chromogenic (RA-4) color papers (Fuji
>Crystal Archive and UltraChrome) that the LighJet and Chromira uses. I used
>the glossy surface and got nice prints with a slightly cool look. The
>density values I got with the Fuji Crystal Archive paper are as follows:
>
>paper white: 0.09  (0.10, 0.10, 0.06, 0.09 - R,G,B,V)
>dMAX: 2.10  (2.17, 2.11, 1.89, 2.10 - R,G,B,V)
>
>If you are expecting to find the 'holy grail', ie - an air dried, glossy
>fiber paper print on a LightJet or Chromira, you will have a long time to
>wait! (as in forever)
>
>Best Regards,
>
>David R. Spielman
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...]
>Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:41 PM
>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Digital BW] BW lightjet (update)
>
>
>I've been talking to the guys at Reeds photo who have said that have found
a
>way to improve the density achieved on the lightjet to BW silver printing.
>They are sending me a calibration kit as soon as it is ready and I'll
report
>back
>
>Julian
>
>
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