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Re: Image Print / 2200 vs 1280 / plug in

2003-07-27 by Shilesh Jani

Hmm, Tyler, I see your point.  Reflectance depends only on the the 
concentration of the pigment per unit area of paper.  So, the finer 
the dither, the less the local concentration of pigment at each 
droplet.  If the dither is coarse that particular droplet will be 
more concentrated.

Regards.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" 
<tyler@t...> wrote:
> Well, less ink would mean lighter, which would mean
> no-longer-accurate. I think the effect the poster meant was the
> impression that more widely spaced darker ink (resulting in the same
> density compared to piezo with more dots of lighter ink) somehow was
> more luminous because more paper white was visible. 
> Tyler
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani"
> <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > Ron,
> > 
> > Another thought:  Apparently the Piezo plug-in dumps a lot of ink 
on
> > the paper across the entire grayscale spectrum.  Perhaps it might 
be
> > better if highlights are printed with less ink.
> > 
> > Regards.
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "harrisimages"
> > <harris@s...> wrote:
> > > Hi Shilesh,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your observations and for suggesting alternative 
methods 
> > > of printing PiezoTones on the 1280.  The old driver is very 
slow, as 
> > > you say, 16 minutes for a small print as compared to 6 minutes 
on 
> > > the 2200 with ImagePrint.
> > > 
> > > I am very happy with B&W prints made using ImagePrint on the 
2200. 
> > > Fast and easy to use.  Many say the prints are neutral.  
However, at 
> > > 50,50 tinting they seem slightly warm to me, but not as warm as 
> > > PiezoTone Selinium Tone.  I like both renditions. However, for 
more 
> > > tonal variation I look to PiezoTones.  I would imagine that the 
new 
> > > PiezoTone system will make them easier to use and give better 
> > > results, except, perhaps for customized approaches like yours.
> > > 
> > > Ron
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh 
Jani" 
> > > <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > > > Ron,
> > > > 
> > > > I agree with you!  This special luminous quality is 
restricted to 
> > > > some images and under specific light condition.  I see this 
also 
> > > in 
> > > > BO printing.  Use of pigmented grays in highlight areas 
impose the 
> > > > quality of inks, rather than allowing the paper to assert 
itself.  
> > > A 
> > > > long time ago - 1.5 years;-) I was using dye based inks for 
b/w 
> > > > printing.  And sure enough, the paper character was more 
readily 
> > > > apparent in the highlights.  Too bad about color crossover 
and 
> > > fade 
> > > > of color dyes.  I am looking forward to the day when we get a 
dye 
> > > > based grayscale inkset, even one which has a limited 
lightfastness 
> > > of 
> > > > 20 years.  But that is just me.
> > > > 
> > > > On the microbanding front:  It should be noted that the 
> > > Piezography 
> > > > plug-in is not the only way to go with the 1280.  One can use 
the 
> > > > Epson driver along with the MIS FS (and FS-N) inks 
> > > designated "E".  
> > > > Alternatively, you can use the regular FS (and FS-N) inks 
provided 
> > > > you switch the inks around as follows:  cyan=magenta=dark, 
> > > > lightcyan=lightmagenta=middle, yellow=light.  A moderate 
curves 
> > > > adjustment layer (call it profile) linearizes the response 
> > > nicely.  
> > > > No plug-in, no banding.  Also in fairness, I have seen a lot 
of 
> > > > prints made with the Piezo plug-in and PT inks with no 
evidence of 
> > > > banding.  I personally don't use the plug-in because I like 
the 
> > > > ability to custom mix my own inks, and the plug-in (mis)uses 
too 
> > > much 
> > > > ink, and it is slooooooooooooow!
> > > > 
> > > > Regards.
> > > > 
> > > > Shilesh

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