Digital BW, The Print

Peter Nelson wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. 
>Image Service" <editor@p...> wrote:
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>>HP and Lexmark are showing unrestrained greed here, 
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>It's not unrestrained.  It's restrained by the marketplace.  If 
>consumers don't like it they won't buy their products.  That's how 
>it's supposed to work.
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By that argument, even MONOPOLY is restrained.. Give it a break..

>No printer maker has anything even CLOSE to a monopoly, so no 
>printer maker can afford to adopt a product or pricing policy that 
>would alienate potential customers.
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Read my lips. MONOPOLY, in the direct sense, has almost NOTHING to do 
with illegal tying , and in this case literally nothing.. Stop blurring 
issues to try and confuse readers.

>I'm tired of people saying "I'm a Republican, BUT ..."
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Guess you might as well fire most of the Republican officeholders.. I 
guess I won't be expecting YOUR contribution check in my current 
campaign for NJ State Assembly (the NJ State House of Reps) anytime soon..

>  You either 
>believe in the power of the market to regulate business decisions or 
>not.  I DO believe in the market, or at least I have more faith in 
>the market than I do in government bureaucrats.
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Talk about "close-minded".. I suppose you would argue that we should 
still use contributory negligence as a complete defense too.. Don't want 
railroads having their economic choices hindered by stupid people who 
get run over by trains or who injure themselves climbing aboard a 
railroad car..

>You're advocating what Ted Kennedy does: using the power of the 
>government to advance YOUR special interests (third-party inks).
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>I am NOT making this up:   As we speak Ted Kennedy is proposing 
>legislation in the Senate to ban a private wind-turbine farm off the 
>coast of Cape Cod because it will ruin the view from his Hyannis 
>beach estate.   That's the same thing YOU'RE doing.
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Guess what...

1)    I really don't give a hoot whether it is made up or not...

2)   I DISAGREE WITH THE KENNEDY POSITION.

3)    Actually, it would probably COST me money if tying by chipping is 
prevented.. The initial purchase costs of printers will go up, OEMs will 
compete with 3rd parties to supply inks, and the costs of my 3rd party 
inks could increase - with more OEMS offering more ink options, as would 
be likely, some of my preferred 3rd party manufacturers might go out of 
business. .  Right now, I actually benefit from cheap up-front printer 
costs and cheap 3rd part consumables..

However, the market isn't about simply getting the most money possible 
into the hands of individual capital holders/investors.  The purpose of 
a free market is that it benefits everyone more generally. That means 
tweaks like prohibiting practices that create unfair entry barriers to 
innovation and competition.

In the end though, this forum is about inkjets and B&W printing 
thereof... But every time this issue comes up Peter, you digress, ad 
nauseum I might add, from a broad-based defense of  actions related to 
inkjets into a comparison of general economic models and advocacy for a 
seemingly pure laissez-faire capitalist model (I'll stay away from puns 
about how given your Black and white - with no shades of grade political 
views, I'd expect all your B&W prints to be ultra high contrast, or how 
your greyscale step-wedge must have only two steps: "black and white,"  
etc.) .. I'm sorry, but how the CURRENT law and precedent relates to 
inkjet consumables is on-topic, sometimes just barely so.. But, IMHO, 
and that of MANYothers here, discussions of theoretical ecnomics and 
what the proper economic model might be is OFF TOPIC.

I ,and others I'm certain, would sincerely prefer that if you want to 
argue economic and political theory, it be done on another list..

 

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