At 01:10 PM 7/29/03 -0400, you wrote: >Peter Nelson wrote: > > >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alan Zinn > > > > > > > > > >>Seems to me that the government will see this as a > >>restraint of trade issue. I don't think a company > >>would be so short-sighted, but then look at the > >>antics of the DVD interests. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >A product manufacturer is under no obligation to make it easy for > >other companies to interface to his product. Microsoft does not > >have to supply an API to its software products, or if they DO supply > >an API they are under no obligation to expose all possible behaviors > >or interfaces. > > > > >That's a VERY different kettle of fish from undertaking blatant efforts >designed to effect no other goal than: making the ability to use >alternative consumables either nearly literally impossible (handshaking >encrypted chips) or so high, as to create an unfair restraint of trade >. Imagine INtel designing a chip, that didn't just optimize Windows >related instructions sets, but if it saw non-windows OS code, it would >shut itself down, thereby preventing the use of any other OS.. That >would clearly be a restraint of trade and even Intel knows it (and M$ >has learned at least that much, the HARD way).. > >In such cases, in a marketplace where the product is no longer a niche >product, look at the legal cases involving Xerox et. al. and consumables >or some automobile replacement parts manufacture, you have what is >called more exactly "illegal vertical tying." > >Didn't you lose this argument already, back at: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/26305 > > > >I'm a Republican myself, but under the current RIDICULOUSLY, "anything >goes in business as long as US companies are printing cash for owners >and shareholders marketplace," where things like the FCC proposing to >allow more consolidation of media ownership, and the White House >threatening to veto appropriations legislation from both (Republican >controlled I might add) houses of Congress that would prevent the FCC >from implementing such ludicrously anti-democratic policies - in such an >environment HP and Lexmark et al believe they can do "as they will" to >restrain trade.. > >Implementing a scheme like this, or Lexmark's patented cartridge that >destroys itself when ink runs low, may just tip the balance though.. >The manufacturers need to remember it isn't only the Feds that can cost >you lots of $$ in anti-trust litigation. Ask M$ about the State >Attorneys General.. ;-) > >In some sense I hope HP does go ahead with this lunacy. Given the >number of HP printers in gov't offices, and the ubiquity of inkjets in >the marketplace, a showdown would definitely be brewing.. When tying is >allowed in a market segment, historically, there have been one or two >parties who "take the game too far" and end up generating litigation >that overturns the entire set of practices in that market segment.. In >this case HP and Lexmark seem hell bent on doing so.. All I can say is >they must REALLY NEED short term profit to risk such a bold-faced cash >grab. Once this all ends up in a US court, I'd bet dollars to donuts >that the whole "chipped-cartridges to enable cost-shifting" game will be >effectively over... HP and Lexmark are showing unrestrained greed here, >along with utilizing every practical avenue to tie the original product >and its consumable feed pipeline. Whatever the White House may think >will make little difference if this ends up in the courts.. > >Not to mention that the EU legislation specifically prohibiting such >practices in printers comes into effect in about 18 months.. ;-) (If I >remember correctly) Thereby preventing HP from even selling any of these >encrypted printers in the EU.. > >Peter, I believe wholeheartedly in free-trade and an open-market. >However, it is plain and simple blindness to think that allowing OEMs to >utilize their $ and market position to BY DESIGN add product features >that have NO OTHER rational goal than to prevent the entry of 3rd party >suppliers into the consumable feed stream is about as blatant an example >of restraint of trade as one can technologically concoct. We aren't >talking about not making it easy for others to interface with a product, >we are talking about designs effectuated in attempts to make it >impossible.. It's the same philosophical difference (moral questions >aside) we see in say, criminal law, between accidentally shooting a >third part when defending yourself or a removing the uterus of a >pregnant woman with aggressive uterine cancer thereby terminating a >fetus (both would be unintended consequences, with the second, perhaps, >more unavoidable) when compare to randomly purposely shooting a third >party to demonstrate your pique during an argument with another party or >purposely aborting the same fetus to effectuate effective "birth >control." For those who see no ethical or real difference, or unable >to parse the difference, between the first set of instances and the >second: I feel sorry for you and hope you NEVER end up on the judicial >bench anywhere (except perhaps somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Iran, >where Justice is eminently simplistic).. > > > > > > >"Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer >User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo >Publications), at: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/ > >"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together >guys" > > >Ohooooooo! Those Republicans are a testy bunch, aren't they? AZ
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Re: [Digital BW] Chips AhoY!
2003-07-30 by Alan Zinn
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