Digital BW, The Print

Nij-

PMFJI, I've been using the small gamut Lyson inks for about 3 months 
and the Piezo for about a month. I have a few observations you might 
appreciate.

It was a real hassle getting the Lyson inks to make the first good 
print... Clean, nozzle check, soak in windex... A week of 
frustration. But then some wonderful prints. The ability to tone is 
pretty exciting... But it takes a little work to adjust the tones to 
papers and the tendancy is to over tone. (there is no profiling like 
with piezo).

Out of the box, piezo was a snap... And has been ever since... I 
really believe there is a greater range of gray with this than small 
gamut... And it prints WAY faster than the Epson driver... But is 
harder to center and fill the page (it can be done, but it takes some 
work).

The cooler print is a clear winner on Lyson small gamut (especially 
on Lyson or Mitsibishi papers). The warmer, a clear winner on piezo.
Any glossy print is better with lyson... I have not been happy with 
any glossy paper/piezo combination so far, but have produced some 
terrific ones with Lyson.

Bottom line... I love them both. I use the Piezo more... Partly 
because it's quicker and partly because I'm still in awe of the great 
sublte shades it prints... But I wouldn't give up the small gamut... 
Glossy, cool... Etc... I think it's unbeatable there.

Cheers,

TOC

Tom O'Connell












--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> Terry,
> 
> Perhaps you could help me, offlist maybe, to gen up on who makes 
all these
> inks. Seriously, if you know something I don't - which sounds very 
likely in
> this case, I'd appreciate the info.
> 
> To throw another name into the hat, and based on your suggestion 
that inks
> that don't work well with Epson weren't designed for Epson... what 
were
> Lyson 'Small Gamut' inks designed for? I have heard _rumours_ those 
inks
> kill print heads after a while!
> 
> In fact... are Lyson inks available in the States? There seems to 
be very
> little talk about them, if any, on this list.
> 
> Best,
> Nij
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TerryR [mailto:terryr1028@h...]
> <snip>
> > This is true, but those inks that exhibit problems, typically 
aren't
> > designed as an Epson ink replacement (such as Piezo), they are
> > usually a derivative of another ink that wasn't initially 
designed to
> > work with the Epson printers. Again, MIS and Generations are 
perfect
> > examples of those that were designed specifically for the Epson
> > printers. I have yet to hear of a clog that couldn't be undone 
with
> > those inks, but can point you at many posts of those that even 
went
> > as far as to disassemble their printers or other extreme measures 
and
> > still couldn't clear the clog when using Piezo inks.
> <snip>