Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Tom!

It is good to hear about alternatives and people's actual experience with
them... can you tell us something of the Lyson workflow? I presume it is
curves oriented... I am wondering how you achieve the different tones. I
suppose, different curves for different tones, like various MIS workflows?

I see Lyson are now recommending storing your carts the right way up before
installation. I'd like to think they'd copied my advice on my website and on
various lists - but it's a fairly logical idea so maybe we each had the idea
independently  <big grins>

Thanks,
nij

Nigel Rheam
MWORD Limited www.mwords.co.uk Digital Fine Art

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomoc@... [mailto:tomoc@...]
> Sent: 03 October 2001 02:13
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Getting started -- Cone or MIS? (LONG)
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> Nij-
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> PMFJI, I've been using the small gamut Lyson inks for about 3 months
> and the Piezo for about a month. I have a few observations you might
> appreciate.
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> It was a real hassle getting the Lyson inks to make the first good
> print... Clean, nozzle check, soak in windex... A week of
> frustration. But then some wonderful prints. The ability to tone is
> pretty exciting... But it takes a little work to adjust the tones to
> papers and the tendancy is to over tone. (there is no profiling like
> with piezo).
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> Out of the box, piezo was a snap... And has been ever since... I
> really believe there is a greater range of gray with this than small
> gamut... And it prints WAY faster than the Epson driver... But is
> harder to center and fill the page (it can be done, but it takes some
> work).
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> The cooler print is a clear winner on Lyson small gamut (especially
> on Lyson or Mitsibishi papers). The warmer, a clear winner on piezo.
> Any glossy print is better with lyson... I have not been happy with
> any glossy paper/piezo combination so far, but have produced some
> terrific ones with Lyson.
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> Bottom line... I love them both. I use the Piezo more... Partly
> because it's quicker and partly because I'm still in awe of the great
> sublte shades it prints... But I wouldn't give up the small gamut...
> Glossy, cool... Etc... I think it's unbeatable there.
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> Cheers,
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> TOC
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> Tom O'Connell
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> > Terry,
> >
> > Perhaps you could help me, offlist maybe, to gen up on who makes
> all these
> > inks. Seriously, if you know something I don't - which sounds very
> likely in
> > this case, I'd appreciate the info.
> >
> > To throw another name into the hat, and based on your suggestion
> that inks
> > that don't work well with Epson weren't designed for Epson... what
> were
> > Lyson 'Small Gamut' inks designed for? I have heard _rumours_ those
> inks
> > kill print heads after a while!
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> > In fact... are Lyson inks available in the States? There seems to
> be very
> > little talk about them, if any, on this list.
> >
> > Best,
> > Nij
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: TerryR [mailto:terryr1028@h...]
> > <snip>
> > > This is true, but those inks that exhibit problems, typically
> aren't
> > > designed as an Epson ink replacement (such as Piezo), they are
> > > usually a derivative of another ink that wasn't initially
> designed to
> > > work with the Epson printers. Again, MIS and Generations are
> perfect
> > > examples of those that were designed specifically for the Epson
> > > printers. I have yet to hear of a clog that couldn't be undone
> with
> > > those inks, but can point you at many posts of those that even
> went
> > > as far as to disassemble their printers or other extreme measures
> and
> > > still couldn't clear the clog when using Piezo inks.
> > <snip>
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