Digital BW, The Print

Martin,

thanks for the reply.  to clarify, hue, then, is equivalent to 
color.  but I'm still unclear on how "tone" is being used in the 
septone discussions.  are we talking about cool, warm, and neutral w/ 
the use of the word "tone."  if that's the case, isn't tone, in 
inkjet printing, a result of color inks (usually yellow v. blue); 
thereby further conflating the definition of "hue" and "tone"?  or, 
in this context, is tone----defined as degress of gray---being used 
as a reference to something like the zone system?

sorry to be so picayune; I'm also sharing in the communal quest for 
the holy grail of better control of B/W inkjet prints.  and the 
discussions here on the subject have been, as jon cone points out, 
invaluable.  just want to be sure I've got a precise handle on all 
the terms being used.  color is one tricky subject; ironically, even 
in B/W printing.

thanks again.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mm_rabin [mailto:mm_rabin@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:53 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Septone system
> >
> >
> > maybe I've missed this, so pardon any obviousness related to the
> > question, but what is the difference b/t hue and tone (warm, cool,
> > neutral)?
> >
> mm,
> 
> Good question. As I have used the terms in the earlier posts on this
> subject, "hue" is the color of the print and "tone" is the shade of 
neutral
> density or gray. I tried to be careful in how I used the two terms 
but it
> does get confusing.
> 
> "Hue" is pretty straight forward and Webster's #2 definition is:
> 
> "2a : COLOR b : gradation of color c : the attribute of colors that 
permits
> them to be classed as red, yellow, green, blue, or an intermediate 
between
> any contiguous pair of these colors"
> 
> "Tone" on the other hand has many meanings the closest being #7:
> 
> "7 a (1) : color quality or value (2) : a tint or shade of color 
b : the
> color that appreciably modifies a hue or white or black <gray walls 
of
> greenish tone>"
> 
> Which unfortunately is very close to "hue". However, in B&W 
photography we
> often talk about "mid tones", "high tones" and "tone ramp" 
referring to
> degrees of gray with no reference to color. Seems like I/we need a 
better
> word to clearly express colorless "tone." I'm open to suggestion.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html