Digital BW, The Print

It seems "tone" is ambiguous and will mostly like stay that way.  You'll
have to decide based on context.  If "mid tones", "high tones" are being
talked about its the gray value.  But if warm/cool, sepia toner, etc.  are
being referred to its basically a color issue.   For septones I think they
mix the usage back and forth.  How about -- the mid tones can be
set for warm or cool tone.

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mm_rabin" 
<mm_rabin@y...> wrote:
> Martin,
> 
> thanks for the reply.  to clarify, hue, then, is equivalent to 
> color.  but I'm still unclear on how "tone" is being used in the 
> septone discussions.  are we talking about cool, warm, and neutral w/ 
> the use of the word "tone."  if that's the case, isn't tone, in 
> inkjet printing, a result of color inks (usually yellow v. blue); 
> thereby further conflating the definition of "hue" and "tone"?  or, 
> in this context, is tone----defined as degress of gray---being used 
> as a reference to something like the zone system?
> 
> sorry to be so picayune; I'm also sharing in the communal quest for 
> the holy grail of better control of B/W inkjet prints.  and the 
> discussions here on the subject have been, as jon cone points out, 
> invaluable.  just want to be sure I've got a precise handle on all 
> the terms being used.  color is one tricky subject; ironically, even 
> in B/W printing.
> 
> thanks again.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" 
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mm_rabin [mailto:mm_rabin@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:53 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Septone system
> > >
> > >
> > > maybe I've missed this, so pardon any obviousness related to the
> > > question, but what is the difference b/t hue and tone (warm, cool,
> > > neutral)?
> > >
> > mm,
> > 
> > Good question. As I have used the terms in the earlier posts on this
> > subject, "hue" is the color of the print and "tone" is the shade of 
> neutral
> > density or gray. I tried to be careful in how I used the two terms 
> but it
> > does get confusing.
> > 
> > "Hue" is pretty straight forward and Webster's #2 definition is:
> > 
> > "2a : COLOR b : gradation of color c : the attribute of colors that 
> permits
> > them to be classed as red, yellow, green, blue, or an intermediate 
> between
> > any contiguous pair of these colors"
> > 
> > "Tone" on the other hand has many meanings the closest being #7:
> > 
> > "7 a (1) : color quality or value (2) : a tint or shade of color 
> b : the
> > color that appreciably modifies a hue or white or black <gray walls 
> of
> > greenish tone>"
> > 
> > Which unfortunately is very close to "hue". However, in B&W 
> photography we
> > often talk about "mid tones", "high tones" and "tone ramp" 
> referring to
> > degrees of gray with no reference to color. Seems like I/we need a 
> better
> > word to clearly express colorless "tone." I'm open to suggestion.
> > 
> > Martin Wesley
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html