Digital BW, The Print

Barry,

The Ilford and Fuji materials that Alessandro, Jo and I were discussing are
photographic materials used in a photoprinter that uses laser light to
expose light sensitive paper. This material is then developed in RA-4 color
print chemistery, like the kind your local one hour place uses to make
prints for your film camera.

One of the materials, the Fuji is called 'Ultrachrome' paper, but it is not
inkjet paper, it's photographic paper. Perhaps a poor choice of names on
Fuji's part for thier paper.

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman

-----Original Message-----
From: flyfishingusa2002 [mailto:tflyfish@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:14 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lambda B&W printing



  Why don't you stick to Epson materials? What is the attraction in Ilford
or Fuji? Is their
  paper any better for Ultrachromes? I get amazing results with the Epson
materials and
  profiles. IF you are displaying prints you should print with a matt paper
and cover it. I
  have several prints pinned to my wall that were printed some while ago on
Epson
  Premium Gloss that do not show any sign of metamerism.

  Barry

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Spielman"
  <david@s...> wrote:
  > Jo,
  >
  > Interesting observation about the metamerism of the Ilfochrome material.
  > I've never seen any metamerism using the Fuji Ultrachrome material. If
fact,
  > I've never seen any kind of metamerism in any kind of photographic print
  > material, only in inkjet prints.
  >
  > I wonder what is so different about the Ilfochrome material?
  >
  > Best Regards,
  >
  > David R. Spielman
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Jo Brunenberg [mailto:jo.brunenberg@r...]
  > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:54 PM
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lambda B&W printing
  >
  >
  >   Hi Allessandra,
  >
  >   The Lambda can be used to expose different types of photographic
material
  > like C-print (Fuji, Kodak), Ilfochrome Classic (Cibachrome) and
Ilfochrome
  > Flex.
  >
  >   With all of them I had very good results.
  >   I scanned my BW negatives in 16 bit Greyscale. Converted to RGB and
than
  > converted to a custom profile I made from a test target printed on the
  > Lambda.
  >   I very much like the Ilfochrome.
  >   But if you do not like its super gloss and metallic-like tones this
would
  > not be your choice.
  >   Also the Ilfochrome B&W images suffer from metamerism, so when the
image
  > appears neutal under daylight it will be a little brownish under
tungsten
  > light.
  >
  >   Best regards,
  >
  >   Jo Brunenberg
  >   www.jobrunenberg.com
  >
  >
  >   DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,Internet writes:
  >   > Hi list,
  >   >
  >   >a few days ago I was told that an italian photographer, Mimmo Jodice,
who
  > was known for spending hours and hours in the darkroom and being
extremely
  > picky with his prints, has switched to digital (for prints only, he
still
  > uses negatives). His choice was the Lambda printer.
  >   >I seem to remember that Lambda prints for B&W hadn't a great
reputation
  > on the list, so I'm here to ask anyone who has a first-hand experience
with
  > this technology.
  >   >
  >   >Thanks,
  >   >Alessandro
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