Digital BW, The Print

The nikon image is more grainy because the nikon can resolve more informati=
on than 
the epson.  So, it is scanning the grain.  The film was Tri-x 400, so its a=
 higher speed 
film which will of course have more grain.  The nikon scan is also darker t=
han the 
epson (I used "auto exposure" on both which will give different results fro=
m different 
software).  So I think that is contributing to the bad look of the nikon sc=
an.

Additionally, the woman's head is actually a small part of the negative, so=
 this is a 
pretty big enlargement.  That will accentuate grain even more.

The higher the resolution the more grain you are going to get.  The drum sc=
ans which 
has even better resolution than the nikon are even more grainy.

I don't have any scans that were done both with the nikon and the drum scan=
ner.

Jeff
http://www.jeffsingerphotography.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@=
b...> 
wrote:
> Jeff
> 
> This is very helpful given my current purchasing dilemma.  A couple of ba=
sic
> questions (and please excuse any ignorance):
> 
> 1. In the first set of images (I assume the Nikon is on the right), why i=
s
> the Nikon image so ³grainy² ?  The skin looks quite bad as a result.
> 2. Any chance you can put the drum scan alongside the Nikon?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> From: "jsinger986" <jhsinger@t...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:33:08 -0000
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MF Scanners -- off topic
> 
> Another view thrown in the pot...
> 
> I have the Epson 3200 and I just bought the Minolta Dual Scan Pro.  For
> prints with 
> my Epson 2200 I am happy with the Epson 3200 scanning 120 film (not for 3=
5mm
> though).  But, my use is for stock where I want the best quality and OPTI=
CAL
> sharpness for my scans.  Even though it may not make a difference in the
> final useage 
> of the image, buyers look at sharpness as a factor when looking at scans =
of
> comporable images.  Most scans in quality stock agencies are done by
> professionals 
> using drum scanners and film scanners at the least.
> 
> Here is a scan with a Nikon 8000 versus the Epson 3200.  This is a scan o=
f a
> 120 neg 
> and it is a 100% crop of the image as it came out of the scanner.  No
> sharpening on 
> either.  I'll let you decide which is which, but to me its a clear
> difference:
> http://www.jeffsingerphotography.com/quickview/nikonvsepson.jpg
> 
> 
> I decided to buy the 3200 based on the review  at photo-i.co.uk.  I was
> impressed 
> that there was not a significant difference between the 3200 and a drum s=
can
> ( a 
> difference but not a huge one).  Well, i don't know where he got his drum=

> scan done 
> and on what scanner, but here is my drum scan versus 3200 scan and I see =
a
> huge 
> difference (although as I said the difference will not show on a Epson 22=
00
> print with 
> a good application of sharpening).
> http://www.jeffsingerphotography.com/quickview/drumvsepson.jpg
> 
> Of course, I wouldn't expect a $500 flatbed scanner to match a drum scan =
or
> even a 
> film scan.  But, if sharpness is something that matters and your going
> beyond a 
> 13x13 print, this is something you may want to consider.  For me, I'm goi=
ng
> to sell 
> my 3200 and my Minolta should be here any day.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Singer Photography
> jeff@j...
> http://www.jeffsingerphotography.com
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, mfaphoto@o... wrote:=

> > The Epson 3200 delivers nice results. Probably not as good as film scan=
ners,
> but 
> good. Since there is probably a huge price difference, so get the 3200 an=
d
> see how it 
> works for your purposes. If you don't like it, sell it for almost what yo=
u
> paid and get 
> the film scanner.
> > 
> > Russ
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
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