Digital BW, The Print

Andre,

Thanks for the feedback. With the help of Tom O'Connell and other group
members we took a hard look at moving about a year ago due to the steep rise
in advertising that started hitting us. I even created a trial list on
Topica which I also discovered through John's lists.

From what we gathered at the time the group members tracked posts both on
line and by e-mail, and the number of people who did one or the other was
pretty evenly divided. Most of the free forum sites out there are either one
or the other but not both. On top of that Yahoo Groups offers the Files,
Links, and other sections off the homepage.

I did find one service in the UK that had identical features but a trial
forum there did not work since they apparently did not have any servers
outside the UK and it took messages 12 to 24 hours to propagate to and from
the site. So Yahoo's worldwide network of servers is important to us since
the group has members all over the place.

I even took a look at what it would take to set everything up on a private
site and got annual costs of $5,000 to $10,000 plus management time. 

So here we still are. I took a look at Beststuff.com but it appears to be an
on-line only site with no e-mail.

If you should see something that has all the Yahoo features let me know.

As to the current spammers, someone has obviously figured out a way to
automatically join a whole bunch of Yahoo groups simultaneously, drop in a
post and then leave. I am surprised Yahoo has not picked up on this and
taken some action although I suspect it is hard to block given their open
structure.

Hopefully at this point we are all wise enough not to click on anonymous
links and I will keep deleting the stuff as I see it. Still toying with
moderating all new members. I may give it a try for awhile just to see how
much work it turns out to be.

Martin

* -----Original Message-----
* From: sceptre12345 [mailto:am1000@...] 
* Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:08 PM
* To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
* Subject: Re: SPAM -- [Digital BW] New Pictures Here...
* 
* 
* --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Wesley" 
* <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
*  
* > I am rather inclined to suffer with the junk but I would appreciate
* any
* > thoughts and opinions.
* > 
* > Martin
* 
* Martin,
* 
* As the popularity of this list and also of Yahoo's increases, the 
* more likely this list will become prone to spam attacks.
* 
* The Russian Camera group of Bob Shell fame, finally had to move to 
* another list (Beststuff) because of spam attacks. Have a look at that 
* list to see what's its like when the spammers take over. 
* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/russiancamera/
* 
* The group finally moved to: 
* http://www.beststuff.com/forum/index.php?f=25
* 
* Another possibility would be an email forum such as the Prodig 
* listserv. They have a listmum on weekly rotation duty. They are spam 
* free, as far as I know.
* http://www.prodig.org/
* 
* And then there is the Topica lists, where John Browlow (who used to 
* be active on this list) founded a street photography group. 
* Topica being less known than Yahoo is more likely to be under the 
* radar of spammers.
* http://www.topica.com/lists/streetphoto
* 
* The above are just examples, not even suggestions. There may be 
* problems with these lists that I may not be aware of.
* 
* As long as the spam is tolerable, and we dont break into hives(?) 
* when one is posted, I say let's go on as usual.
* Cheers,
* Andre
* 
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