Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for the comments.  I agree that the IP colour print I just did is ever so slightly 
"brighter" and "less saturated" (sky tones do indeed appear a more natural blue vs 
perhaps a slight tourquoise tint).  I am comparing the IP print using the daylight 
Hahnemuhle Photorag profile for 2880dpi against an identical print using the Epson 
driver and a profile for Hahnemuhle Photorag from 

http://lenscraft.com/profiles/bullock/2200/index.html

which has been designed for 1440x720 HQ (this print has also been sprayed with 3 
coats of Lyson print spray).  The most annoying thing is the watermark which is over 
the entire print making it impossible for a decent comparison -  I understand the 
need for a watermark but this is complete overkill!!

I am now printing a B&W image (given that this is the focus of this forum) and will 
compare it with the same image printed using Quadtone RIP using Carl's 2200 
profiles 50:50 cool/warm.

Regards

Steve

(PS the colour image I was printing is of the Utah desert with a detailed foreground 
with brown tones and a blue sky speckled with white clouds - the horizon is low at 
about 1/4 of the height of the page.  It was Fuji Provia 100 35mm film scanned on an 
Imacon 848 at 6300ppi. Not a bad image to highlight the points you noted.)




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> On the PC running the IP 5.6 eval, I really didn't find the IP color prints to be any 
better than the Epson driver prints using, as you said, Epson profiles and proper color 
mgmt techniques. But, the IP color prints were different, as follows:
> 
> 1. Ever so slightly less warmth and saturation. Easily remedied with an adjustment 
layer if an exact match to the Epson print is what's desired.
> 
> 2. Slightly less contrast which helped the shadow areas.
> 
> 3. White and near white areas (such as in clouds) printed with more separation and 
just seemed brighter (glow?).
> 
> 4. The rendering of blue sky was more pleasing to my eye when compared to the 
Epson driver print.
> 
> Grayscale, however, is a different matter. Using a "gray" profile with tint 50,50 
produces, to my eye, a dead neutral print. Using the tint picker set to 100,100 
produces a very nice warmer rendering though not as warm as, say, Paul's warmer 
curves for the UT inkset. I haven't had a chance to compare the same print with the 
closet UT print because when I fired up the 1160, yesterday, the grays were totally 
clogged! I damped the parking pad with Fantasik and will try, again, tonight.
> 
> So far, for me it seems that grayscale printing is where IP really shines. But, shines 
enough to shell out $400-$500? We'll see...I'm still playing.
> 
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "Steve Kale" <stevekale@b...>
> > Date: 2003/10/13 Mon PM 01:42:50 EDT
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6
> > 
> > Thanks.  I got there in the end.  Another web page that does not work properly 
with 
> > Safari.  (I got access to the profiles when I used IE.)  FYI I am using a G4 and had 
no 
> > problems with the install.  All works ok - ignore IPManage.  However, it is very 
> > difficult to evaluate the prints due to the demo watermark which covers EVERY 
inch of 
> > the page.  At the moment I have printed just one colour A3 print and will next 
print a 
> > B&W image.  So far I am seriously wondering whether the colour prints are ANY 
better 
> > than using the Epson driver with a decent ICC profile for the media/printer 
> > combination and proper colour mgt....
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "J. Gilbert Plantinga" 
> > <jgp@g...> wrote:
> > > You have to download them separately:
> > > 
> > > http://www.colorbytesoftware.com/downloads.htm
> > > 
> > > I wish that was my only problem :-)
> > > 
> > > Gilbert
> > > 
> > > On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 12:43  PM, Steve Kale wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If I launch IP anyway I don't get any colour profiles for specific 
> > > > printer/mediaa
> > > > combinations.....
> > > >
> > 
> > 
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