Thanks Mike I checked out those sites and it was good reading. I am learning a lot. Do you think I am better with a 1280 dedicated to B&W or go with a 2200 dedicated to B&W? Money is not a consideration. Just good prints. Which ink set do you think would be best for yourself? Regards.....Brad. On 10/23/03 10:15 AM, "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@...> wrote: > > Hi Brad, > > I found these helpful. You might also: > > http://home.att.net/~rwharris/DarkroomTechniquesNovDec.pdf > > http://home.att.net/~rwharris/Printers.html > > For my current thoughts on inks and printers, please check out my > latest post, my 2nd. Again, I stress the fact that I've been reading > up on B&W printing for all of 2 days now. Please consider everyone > else here more informed than me. > > As far a papers go, I haven't gotten too far there yet, and I realize > that I'm probably going to have to try to get some samples or small > quantities in order to decide for myself. I know I'll want to print > on a cotton-based paper, though. Photo Rag & Museo seem like options > I'd like to try, though I doubt they're the cheapest (but I don't > intend to scrimp, and intend to go with as archival an ink/paper > combination as possible). > > Mike > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brad Mol > <bradmol99@y...> wrote: >> > Hi Mike >> > >> > I am getting all the messages. >> > I must say there is a lot of info. >> > I already own the 1280. I have to get some type of ink set but am > not sure >> > which ones to go for yet. >> > Any suggestions which ones you are going for? >> > Let me know what you go with. >> > Also, any types of paper. >> > I have some Epson matt paper which I now understand is better than > gloss. >> > Have you found any other papers to use? >> > Best Regards.......Brad. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 10/23/03 6:32 AM, "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@h...> wrote: >> > >>> > > >>> > > Hi Brad, >>> > > >>> > > As you can tell, I'm really doing lots of my thinking out loud and >>> > > doing all of my conversing in public, so you definitely have > access >>> > > to any replies I've received. Beyond that, I'm pretty much > checking >>> > > out people's websites, checking out links, doing searches on the >>> > > subject, browsing the archives, etc. If you are still reading > this >>> > > thread, you'll see that I'm considering a 1280 and Ultra Tone > inks to >>> > > start my experiments, but this is so new to me I can't guarantee > what >>> > > I'll ultimately end up doing. Plus, literally everyone else here > has >>> > > a more informed opinion than I do at this point, so I suggest you >>> > > just stay tuned, do lots of homework, and ask questions once you > know >>> > > enough to ask good ones. At least that's my plan. >>> > > >>> > > Good luck (to both of us)! >>> > > >>> > > Mike >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brad Mol >>> > > <bradmol99@y...> wrote: >>>>> > >> > Hi Mike >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > I¹m also new to the digital world and am very ignorant to > things >>> > > here. >>>>> > >> > I am also looking for the best B&W printer and thought that we >>> > > could do this >>>>> > >> > search together and see what we can come up with. >>>>> > >> > I posted a similar notice asking those who have had experience > to >>> > > give me >>>>> > >> > feedback as to what printer to use or buy, and what inks. >>>>> > >> > I need help in this area and so far have not gotten any direct >>> > > answer. >>>>> > >> > Let me know your feedback and I will let you know mine. >>>>> > >> > Best Regards..........Brad. >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > On 10/22/03 9:37 AM, "Mike" <mfractl@h...> wrote: >>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > First off, this is the first time I've posted here, so > hello to >>>>>>> > >>> > > everyone. I'm just, finally, making the switch from film to >>> > > digital, >>>>>>> > >>> > > and an unexpected by-product of this shift is that I'm >>> > > rediscovering >>>>>>> > >>> > > my love of B&W in the digital domain. This certainly seems > to be >>> > > a >>>>>>> > >>> > > great group for me to check out, and I assure you all that > I'll be >>>>>>> > >>> > > doing a number of searches through the archives to pick up > tips, >>> > > so >>>>>>> > >>> > > I'll attempt to avoid asking at least some of the questions > that >>> > > have >>>>>>> > >>> > > been asked numerous times before. Nonetheless, there's one >>> > > question >>>>>>> > >>> > > on my mind at the moment, and I thought I'd throw it out. >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > I've been reading the news about the upcoming Epson 4000, > and I've >>>>>>> > >>> > > read that it's supposed to acheive a DMax of 2.1 on glossy > media >>> > > and >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1.69 on matte media. Though I'm no expert on this subject > yet, >>> > > I've >>>>>>> > >>> > > read that the 2200/7600/9600, with the Ultrachromes, > acheive a >>> > > DMax >>>>>>> > >>> > > of 2.0 on glossy media and 1.69 on matte. Obviously, this >>> > > suggests a >>>>>>> > >>> > > higher DMax on glossy for the 4000. And, considering that > my >>>>>>> > >>> > > upcoming foray into digital B&W will involve a search for > the best >>>>>>> > >>> > > DMax, I find this interesting. (Though I don't know how a > printer >>>>>>> > >>> > > using the same inks/media is supposed to acheive a higher > DMax on >>>>>>> > >>> > > glossy media... maybe by mixing some Matte Black in with > the Photo >>>>>>> > >>> > > Black, since both inks will be available at once?) >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Obviously, I don't expect anyone to predict for me if the > 4000 is >>>>>>> > >>> > > going to do better in this regard than the 2200/7600/9600, > but I >>> > > was >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering if I could get a little input on the results > people are >>>>>>> > >>> > > getting with the Ultrachromes or with inks they've > substituted for >>>>>>> > >>> > > the Ultrachromes. I've read about the MIS inks and the > Lyson >>> > > inks, >>>>>>> > >>> > > for example, and I'm trying to get a handle on what options >>> > > provide >>>>>>> > >>> > > the highest DMax and how those options compare with results > I'm >>> > > used >>>>>>> > >>> > > to from the traditional, wet darkroom (though it's been a > while >>> > > since >>>>>>> > >>> > > my B&W days). >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > What I really need to do, I'm sure, is attempt to find >>> > > opportunities >>>>>>> > >>> > > to actually look at people's work that uses different inks > and >>>>>>> > >>> > > media. But, inasmuch as my decision to go digital is only > a few >>>>>>> > >>> > > weeks old, and considering that my renewed focus on B&W is > only a >>> > > few >>>>>>> > >>> > > days old, I really find myself in need of some pointers in > the >>> > > right >>>>>>> > >>> > > direction. Like I said, really great DMax is going to be a > big >>> > > focus >>>>>>> > >>> > > of mine. Which I'm sure is not uncommon. But, anyway, I'm > just >>>>>>> > >>> > > wondering if you folks are satisfied with the DMax you're > getting >>>>>>> > >>> > > right now and what combination of inks & media have given > the best >>>>>>> > >>> > > results for superior DMax. >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > I'm reluctant to admit my ignorance, but, though I used to > get >>> > > good >>>>>>> > >>> > > results in the darkroom, and though I used zone system > techniques >>> > > in >>>>>>> > >>> > > some of my B&W work, I don't really relate very well to DMax >>>>>>> > >>> > > figures. I'm afraid to say that I don't really know how > figures >>> > > of >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1.69 or 2.0 or 2.1 compare to the results I was getting, so >>> > > they're >>>>>>> > >>> > > really just abstract figures until I associate them with > something >>>>>>> > >>> > > visual. Even if I did once know DMax values for the blacks > in >>> > > some >>>>>>> > >>> > > of my old B&W prints, I'm afraid that knowledge has erroded > over >>> > > the >>>>>>> > >>> > > years. >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Anyway, sorry for rambling, and thanks for your patience. > I'm >>> > > pretty >>>>>>> > >>> > > excited about my 'rediscovery' of B&W, so I'm sure you'll > see me >>> > > here >>>>>>> > >>> > > more, and I really must find the time to make my way > through much >>> > > of >>>>>>> > >>> > > the group's archives. >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Regards, >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Mike >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Yahoo! 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2200 vs 1280.
2003-10-23 by Brad Mol