Yes it is a help. Thanks. But what is IMO? Sorry but new to all this stuff. Brad On 10/23/03 10:12 PM, "Alan.Huntley@..." <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote: > Hi Brad, > > It's really not a question of which is better... > > The Epson 1280 with one of the MIS inksets or the newer Piezo inks will > produce fine prints. However, this implies a dedicated printer for B&W. The > Epson 2200, if you want to print B&W requires, IMO, one of the RIPs available. > I only have experience with ImagePrint. Basically, if you need or want to > produce B&W and color from the same printer, get the 2200 and a RIP. If you > only shoot B&W, spare yourself the expense and go with the 1280 and one of the > many dedicated workflows. > > Hope this helps. > > Alan Huntley > >> > >> > From: Brad Mol <bradmol99@...> >> > Date: 2003/10/23 Thu AM 10:56:46 EDT >> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint & >> > 7-Color >> > >> > Does this mean you would prefer to use a 2200 over the 1280 for the B&W??? >> > I am a bit confused as to which printer is better? >> > I¹ll go with which ever gives me the best image. >> > Just tell me which one? >> > Regards.... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 10/23/03 9:34 PM, "Alan.Huntley@..." <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote: >> > >>> > > Hi Mike, >>> > > >>> > > Your assessment of the pros/cons of each "solution" seems about right. I >>> just >>> > > moved from running an Epson 1160/UT inks/Roark curves to IP 5.6 to drive my >>> > > Epson 2200. I have been very happy with both the color and B&W results >>> from >>> > > IP. BTW, IP doesn't use the yellow ink for B&W which, reportedly, >>> eliminates >>> > > metamerism--have not noticed any color cast in my B&W prints--and the UC >>> inks >>> > > already have a reputation for being pretty stable. >>> > > >>> > > Overall, I have been happy with IP...so far. I like the fact that many >>> > > seemingly accurate paper profiles are free for download--custom profiles >>> ain't >>> > > cheap--and, my overall workflow has been greatly >>> simplified...Drag-n-drop >>> > > image onto IP main layout window, select appropriate paper profile, hit >>> print. >>> > > Printer starts running almost immediately--compare that to the wait time of >>> > > whatever spooling the Epson driver is doing--and I'm free to use my >>> machine >>> > > for other tasks. Less mistakes works for me! >>> > > >>> > > Just my 2 cents, >>> > > Alan Huntley >>> > > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > From: "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@...> >>>>> > >> > Date: 2003/10/22 Wed PM 11:03:27 EDT >>>>> > >> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>>>> > >> > Subject: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint & >>>>> 7-Color >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > OK, based on absorbing lots of information in a very short amount of >>>>> > >> > time, I seem to have reached a choice between two options, using the >>>>> > >> > Ultra Tone inks on a dedicated B&W printer or using ImagePrint with >>>>> > >> > the Ultrachromes on a 7-color Epson printer. Assuming that the >>>>> > >> > ImagePrint prints will also display no matamerism (correct me if I'm >>>>> > >> > wrong), here is how I've come to understand both options: >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Option 1: Ultra Tones on a dedicated B&W printer: >>>>> > >> > -high quality results with no metamerism >>>>> > >> > -avoids colored inks fading before black ink >>>>> > >> > -choice of warm, neutral, cool toning >>>>> > >> > -an expensive RIP not needed >>>>> > >> > -would end up spending money on a separate printer for color >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Option 2: Ultrachromes/ImagePrint on Epson 7-color printer >>>>> > >> > -high quality results with no metamerism (due to the use of more >>>>> > >> > colors) >>>>> > >> > -colored inks could conceivably fade before the black ink >>>>> > >> > -some, limited, control over toning >>>>> > >> > -high cost of RIP, increasing considerably for WF models (but >>>>> > >> > the RIP would also be extremely useful for color printing) >>>>> > >> > -could print B&W on the same printer, which could save quite a >>>>> > >> > lot if we're talking WF (though the increased cost of a WF >>>>> > >> > RIP would eat up a god chunk of that) >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > So, is that a good estimation? Am I wrong anywhere? Are there other >>>>> > >> > advantages or drawbacks to either choice? >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Also, there's the upcoming Epson 4000 that will supposed have >>>>> drivers >>>>> > >> > that will handle B&W better. (Will this mean new drivers for the >>>>> > >> > 2200/7600/9600 that also do better?) Plus, having Photo Black and >>>>> > >> > Matte Black available as a software change makes it all the more >>>>> > >> > viable as a printer for both color and B&W. (Though I'm unsure if >>>>> > >> > I'd be willing to pay that much more than the 2200 for a few extra >>>>> > >> > inches. At that point, why not just spend a bit more and go with the >>>>> > >> > 7600 and get an impressive size increase, I think, maybe.) >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > Mike >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Yahoo! 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Re: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint & 7-Color
2003-10-23 by Brad Mol