Digital BW, The Print

IMO = In my opinion, or,
IMHO = In my humble opinion

Don't apologize...we were all new once!

Alan Huntley

> 
> From: Brad Mol <bradmol99@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2003/10/23 Thu AM 11:24:05 EDT
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint &
> 	7-Color
> 
> Yes it is a help.
> Thanks.
> But  what is IMO?
> Sorry but new to all this stuff.
> Brad
> 
> 
> On 10/23/03 10:12 PM, "Alan.Huntley@..." <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Brad,
> > 
> > It's really not a question of which is better...
> > 
> > The Epson 1280 with one of the MIS inksets or the newer Piezo inks will
> > produce fine prints. However, this implies a dedicated printer for B&W. The
> > Epson 2200, if you want to print B&W requires, IMO, one of the RIPs available.
> > I only have experience with ImagePrint. Basically, if you need or want to
> > produce B&W and color from the same printer, get the 2200 and a RIP. If you
> > only shoot B&W, spare yourself the expense and go with the 1280 and one of the
> > many dedicated workflows.
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > Alan Huntley
> > 
> >> > 
> >> > From: Brad Mol <bradmol99@...>
> >> > Date: 2003/10/23 Thu AM 10:56:46 EDT
> >> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint &
> >> >       7-Color
> >> > 
> >> > Does this mean you would prefer to use a 2200 over the 1280 for the B&W???
> >> > I am a bit confused as to which printer is better?
> >> > I¹ll go with which ever gives me the best image.
> >> > Just tell me which one?
> >> > Regards....
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On 10/23/03 9:34 PM, "Alan.Huntley@..." <Alan.Huntley@...> wrote:
> >> > 
> >>> > > Hi Mike,
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Your assessment of the pros/cons of each "solution" seems about right. I
> >>> just
> >>> > > moved from running an Epson 1160/UT inks/Roark curves to IP 5.6 to drive
> my
> >>> > > Epson 2200. I have been very happy with both the color and B&W results
> >>> from
> >>> > > IP. BTW, IP doesn't use the yellow ink for B&W which, reportedly,
> >>> eliminates
> >>> > > metamerism--have not noticed any color cast in my B&W prints--and the UC
> >>> inks
> >>> > > already have a reputation for being pretty stable.
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Overall, I have been happy with IP...so far. I like the fact that many
> >>> > > seemingly accurate paper profiles are free for download--custom profiles
> >>> ain't
> >>> > > cheap--and, my overall workflow has been greatly
> >>> simplified...Drag-n-drop
> >>> > > image onto IP main layout window, select appropriate paper profile, hit
> >>> print.
> >>> > > Printer starts running almost immediately--compare that to the wait time
> of
> >>> > > whatever spooling the Epson driver is doing--and I'm free to use my
> >>> machine
> >>> > > for other tasks. Less mistakes works for me!
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Just my 2 cents,
> >>> > > Alan Huntley
> >>> > > 
> >>>>> > >> > 
> >>>>> > >> > From: "Mike Botelho" <mfractl@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> > >> > Date: 2003/10/22 Wed PM 11:03:27 EDT
> >>>>> > >> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>> > >> > Subject: [Digital BW] Ultra Tones & Dedicated B&W vs ImagePrint &
> >>>>> 7-Color
> >>>>> > >> > 
> >>>>> > >> > OK, based on absorbing lots of information in a very short amount
> of
> >>>>> > >> > time, I seem to have reached a choice between two options, using
> the
> >>>>> > >> > Ultra Tone inks on a dedicated B&W printer or using ImagePrint with
> >>>>> > >> > the Ultrachromes on a 7-color Epson printer.  Assuming that the
> >>>>> > >> > ImagePrint prints will also display no matamerism (correct me if
> I'm
> >>>>> > >> > wrong), here is how I've come to understand both options:
> >>>>> > >> > 
> >>>>> > >> > Option 1: Ultra Tones on a dedicated B&W printer:
> >>>>> > >> >      -high quality results with no metamerism
> >>>>> > >> >      -avoids colored inks fading before black ink
> >>>>> > >> >      -choice of warm, neutral, cool toning
> >>>>> > >> >      -an expensive RIP not needed
> >>>>> > >> >      -would end up spending money on a separate printer for color
> >>>>> > >> > 
> >>>>> > >> > Option 2: Ultrachromes/ImagePrint on Epson 7-color printer
> >>>>> > >> >      -high quality results with no metamerism (due to the use of
> more
> >>>>> > >> >          colors)
> >>>>> > >> >      -colored inks could conceivably fade before the black ink
> >>>>> > >> >      -some, limited, control over toning
> >>>>> > >> >      -high cost of RIP, increasing considerably for WF models (but
> >>>>> > >> >          the RIP would also be extremely useful for color printing)
> >>>>> > >> >      -could print B&W on the same printer, which could save quite a
> >>>>> > >> >          lot if we're talking WF (though the increased cost of a WF
> >>>>> > >> >          RIP would eat up a god chunk of that)
> >>>>> > >> > 
> >>>>> > >> > So, is that a good estimation?  Am I wrong anywhere?  Are there
> other
> >>>>> > >> > advantages or drawbacks to either choice?
> >>>>> > >> > 
> >>>>> > >> > Also, there's the upcoming Epson 4000 that will supposed have >>>>>
> drivers
> >>>>> > >> > that will handle B&W better.  (Will this mean new drivers for the
> >>>>> > >> > 2200/7600/9600 that also do better?)  Plus, having Photo Black and
> >>>>> > >> > Matte Black available as a software change makes it all the more
> >>>>> > >> > viable as a printer for both color and B&W.  (Though I'm unsure if
> >>>>> > >> > I'd be willing to pay that much more than the 2200 for a few extra
> >>>>> > >> > inches.  At that point, why not just spend a bit more and go with
> the
> >>>>> > >> > 7600 and get an impressive size increase, I think, maybe.)
> >>>>> > >> > 
> >>>>> > >> > Mike
> >>> > > 
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